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Kris Ashley: Hi, everyone, welcome back to the change your mind podcast. Where we explore personal development, spirituality and science. I'm your host. Kris Ashley. I am insanely excited for today's interview.

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Kris Ashley: I am so lucky. I have one of my favorite authors of the past couple of decades on with me today. So it's going to be an awesome conversation

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Kris Ashley: 1st couple of quick announcements. If you head to the links in the show notes, you will find not only my amazing guest links. But you will find a bunch of my links as well. You'll find a link to my book. Change your mind to change your reality. You'll find links to my courses, free downloads, my free live masterclass.

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Kris Ashley: And as always, this podcast is part of the Los Angeles Tribune podcast network. So we are doing a lot with personal development. We have some amazing live events coming up, some amazing virtual events coming up, so be sure to follow along and come with us on this journey.

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Kris Ashley: Alright. So let's get right back to it with me. Today I have Bob Friselle. So Bob is the founder of the breath alchemy technique and has been a teacher of breath work for more than 35 years.

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Kris Ashley: He's a student, a senior student of Jim Leonard in breathwork, and Drungula Melchizedek in The Flower of Life.

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Kris Ashley: He's the author of several books, including the bestseller. 25th anniversary edition of nothing in this book, is true, but it's exactly how things are.

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Kris Ashley: And then again, on a personal note, I 1st came across Bob's books in the early 2 thousands, because the book that led to my spiritual awakening the ancient secret of the flower of life. Bob was a student of as well, and went on to teach those workshops and talks about some of the same material.

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Kris Ashley: You've heard me talk about dune Valo. You are going to love Bob so welcome, Bob. I'm so happy you're here.

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Bob Frissell: Well, thank you, Kris, it's a great to be here.

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Bob Frissell: So yeah, let's let's get going. Let's have some fun.

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Kris Ashley: Yeah. And I love that. You have the bridge in the background because we just live right across the bridge from each other, basically. Or what are those bridges? Right? So you're up in Sonoma. I'm in the East Bay. I love it. Okay? So I always start all of my episodes the same way, and it wouldn't be true to form if I didn't start this one the same way as well. So

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Kris Ashley: I like to ask my guests what their origin story is. So how did you come to be this teacher of breath, breath, alchemy, and flower of life? And how did you even get interested in all of this.

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Bob Frissell: Out of pure necessity.

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Kris Ashley: Nice.

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Bob Frissell: And no no other way to say it. When I go back in the day I was

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Bob Frissell: well, I had created a back injury that left me pretty much helpless in enormous, constant pain, and not able to do really much of anything. And I'm young in the prime of life and all of that. And now I'm living in a body that ain't worth living in, and I figured well, you know I don't want to live the rest of my life like this.

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Bob Frissell: And so I did, some deep soul searching, and I came to the understanding, to the personal understanding that well, I can go to doctors. But I quickly said, No, I'm not going to let a doctor look at my back, because I had heard too many horror stories of people who had gotten back surgery and spent the rest of their lives wishing they hadn't done that. So I was not going to go there.

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Bob Frissell: Chiropractors saved my life. They really did, God bless them! But the law of diminishing returns began to set in. In other words, I could get patched up by a chiropractor, and 5 min later there I was, twisted up like a pretzel again. So that really wasn't a solution either.

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Bob Frissell: That left me with only one alternative, and that was to find a way to heal myself.

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Bob Frissell: So there's a necessity element right there. And if you look at where I was, my level of consciousness at the time is that I was asleep. I was unconscious. I was at the very bottom of the totem pole of self-awareness. I didn't know any of what I know right now. So I was starting from

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Bob Frissell: really from about as low as you can go, and but what I had going for me.

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Bob Frissell: I had the most essential ingredient at all, and that is the unwavering, unwavering unre. What am I saying here?

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Bob Frissell: The absolute desire to find a way to heal myself.

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Bob Frissell: Call that a burning desire. Call that a hundred percent intention

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Bob Frissell: at the time I thought everybody had that. But I quickly came to realize that very few people know what a burning desire, what a hundred percent intention really is. The 100 intention is you're willing to do whatever it takes, and you're not going to be stopped by the stops. That normally.

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Bob Frissell: you know. Just

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Bob Frissell: stop you right on your tracks.

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Bob Frissell: So that's how it all began for me.

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Kris Ashley: And I'm assuming listeners are probably wondering. Did you finally heal your back through everything you found.

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Bob Frissell: 100%

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Bob Frissell: took a long time because I was starting from square one. But I'll tell you what, Kris, it let me on the

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Bob Frissell: an incredible adventure. And it's an adventure that continues to the day. It just it. Just it just keeps going, and the whole thing is is fueled by that unrelenting 100 desire to just keep going, to keep improving myself, to keep finding a way.

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Bob Frissell: Yeah, I did heal my back a hundred percent. It took a number of years.

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Bob Frissell: Goodness sakes! It took from 1976 to 1991

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Bob Frissell: that's a long time to be stuck like a pretzel, and to not be in constant pain. But I didn't give up. I just kept going.

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Bob Frissell: and it was finally when I discovered that really the body is not solid at all. It's just pure energy, and to learn how to move that energy again. It was really the key to my healing.

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Bob Frissell: and I got, as I said, in 1991, my 1st major healing. It wasn't 100% healing, but it was a major breakthrough, and from there. I knew it was just inevitable that I would, in fact, entirely heal myself.

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Bob Frissell: and when I say heal myself completely.

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Bob Frissell: I mean, it's just like it never ever happened.

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Bob Frissell: It was dominated and controlling my life totally until it was healed.

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Bob Frissell: But now it's like it never ever happened, and I'm really pleased to be able to report that.

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Kris Ashley: That's amazing.

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Kris Ashley: So

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Kris Ashley: you were saying that it's because you realize that we are all energy. So is it is it that people have to have this belief system, that we are not our bodies. We are these spiritual beings made of energy, or were there certain modalities that, or certain modalities that you teach that

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Kris Ashley: people can use to really heal themselves, because there's a lot of people out there suffering injuries and illnesses.

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Bob Frissell: There sure are. Yeah, I was one of many. Yeah. Well, it it the process. And it literally was a process of discovering that I'm much more than just a body, just a human being, a human being, having a human spiritual experience. Occasionally you turn that around and we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

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Bob Frissell: But again, it took me many years to begin to come to that realization.

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Bob Frissell: What happened in the interim was that I discovered really through a form, through an early form of breath work in a guided session that I had. I believe it was in May of about 1980, where for the 1st time.

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Bob Frissell: oh, goodness sakes! In 4 or 5 years I was able. I had developed so much body armor around that injury that I couldn't feel a thing. I was as stiff as a board around it. There was no life energy. It felt almost like I could feel my upper body in my lower body, but not the area of my low back, that much body armor. Well, in that breath work session

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Bob Frissell: really, just for a brief and shining moment that the energy broke through the barriers, and I was able to feel.

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Bob Frissell: and I was not only able to feel, but I was also able to feel the energy moving.

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Bob Frissell: And I just realized at that point, well, that's the key to my healing right there.

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Bob Frissell: No, I say, it was just for a brief and shining moment, because I was still just

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Bob Frissell: still in the early stages of learning, and it took me. And really it took me 7, 8 more years to begin to progress enough to get to

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Bob Frissell: what you might call stage 2 of the healing process, to learn how to create for myself that constant flow of energy in my body, and that's when the healing really began to take place.

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Kris Ashley: That's really amazing. So what is it that you think created that stuck energy? Or what is it that creates stuck energy in anyone.

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Bob Frissell: I had no no doubt about it. Unresolved, emotional. Trauma, emotional trauma and physical abuse, and all the rest of that stuff stemming from early childhood.

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Bob Frissell: I didn't have any awareness of that at the time, you kidding, and, in fact, if you would have come up to me and told me that, hey? You know your back. Injury is a result of all this unresolved emotional trauma that you suffered as a child. I you know I'm I'm not a fighter, but I you know I might have say, Hey, you know you want to fight. Come on, don't run that number on me. I couldn't have heard it

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Bob Frissell: so it took a long time to come to that realization.

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Bob Frissell: but let's put it this way, Kris. You could have told me, but you got to do more than just tell a person you've got to show them it has to become your living experience. That's how I discovered it and how I discovered it, as my living experience was, just by feeling it through progressing enough in in breath work that I

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Bob Frissell: was able to ultimately transmute all of the energy, all of that stuck energy that was creating. Like I said earlier, just enormous barriers, enormous blockages in my body to transmute that life detracting stuck energy into life, enhancing healthy energy that was now able to move again. And there you go, Bingo! There's the key to your healing right there.

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Bob Frissell: So not just me, but for anybody who's living in a body that is filled with.

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Bob Frissell: you know, pain and stuff that you really would rather not have going on in your body. Yeah, that's just you and me and a few other people, I suppose.

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Kris Ashley: Yeah, just a couple of us.

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Bob Frissell: Yeah, just right.

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Kris Ashley: So how does breath work, help move energy.

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Bob Frissell: Yeah. Well,

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Bob Frissell: let's

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Bob Frissell: let's, I think, in order to cover that, Kris, we need to just go back and get a little. Lay a little bit of groundwork here, and I'd like to begin by talking about what I consider to be very powerful and very useful. Universal principles, universal laws.

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Bob Frissell: Now, the thing about universal principles or universal laws, you might call them. Is that just like man-made laws? Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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Bob Frissell: I mean, you know you can be driving 50 miles an hour in a 20 five-hour, 25 mile an hour zone, and if you get pulled over and you say? Well, gosh, officer, I didn't know, you know. Good luck right? That's not going to take you very far. So ignorance of the law just does not work well. The same is true for universal principles. And so these are principles that if we do not know they're going to operate.

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Bob Frissell: whether we know it or not, they're just going to continue to produce their effects unless there are effects in our in our lives in less than optimal ways. So it's very useful to become aware of them, enough to begin to align with them consciously, so that you can begin to get the more positive benefit from them.

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Bob Frissell: So with that, said the 1st universal principle is what I like to call the perfection principle.

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Bob Frissell: and what it says is that you and I are perfect.

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Bob Frissell: Yet we have barriers to the experience and perfection and experience, and of that perfection.

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Kris Ashley: Hmm.

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Bob Frissell: Well, the barriers are.

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Bob Frissell: Oh, goodness sakes! I just said so much. There, I can almost only throw it out right now. You and I are perfect, and if you're hearing this for the 1st time, you're going to go, that we're perfect. No, we're not perfect. Well, the truth is, we are. And I go into great detail in my books. It's showing the mind the unity of life, and showing the nature of the holographic universe, and just making it very clear

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Bob Frissell: that you and I are perfectly functioning holograms of the one Creator.

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Bob Frissell: and a hologram is such that every part of you can take a hologram and cut it into 4 equal pieces, or as many as you want 1,000 if you want, and each one of those pieces is going to when you shine a laser through it is going to give you a smaller version of the hole.

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Bob Frissell: Well, that's what we are, because every one and everything in this waveform universe is holographic. Everyone and everything without exception, is a smaller version of the whole.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's kind of an introduction to what I mean when I say that you and I are perfect, yet we have barriers to our experience and expression of that perfection.

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Bob Frissell: Well, the second, the principle, what I call the resistance principle says that with regard to any of these barriers, if you resist them.

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Bob Frissell: what it's going to do is get going to give you more of what you don't like, and more of what you don't want. In other words, resistance leads to persistence.

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Bob Frissell: and that includes ignoring it, ignoring it as just a form of resistance, pretending it's not there, etc.

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Bob Frissell: plastering it over by medicating it with. Who knows what a variety of substances? No, that's only going to cause persistence.

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Bob Frissell: that says what I like to call the harmonizing principle that we need to become aware of and really need to make friends with. And what the harmonizing principle says is that the recreation of experience causes the experience to disappear.

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Bob Frissell: Well, okay, what does that mean.

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Bob Frissell: What it means is that here again, because you and I are energetic components.

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Bob Frissell: Everything in waveform universe is energy, energy in its natural aliveness. State wants to move. It's vibrant, and the higher the vibratory rate, the more healthy it is, the denser the vibratory rate, the less healthy it is. And if you had energy as stuck as I had in my body. Well, you're going to experience some rather unpleasant symptoms.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's the energy component right there. What the 3.rd principle, the harmonizing principle is talking about is is that if you can get in touch with element by element, with exactly what those barriers feel like

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Bob Frissell: because they are an energetic component in your body. In other words, a sensation, or very simply a feeling.

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Bob Frissell: So if you can get in touch element by element. What that sensation that energetic component feels like in your body, feel it fully and thoroughly, accurately and honestly. What will happen is that you will discover

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Bob Frissell: your innate ability to transmute that life, detracting stuck energy that has only been persisting to transmute it into life-enhancing, healthy energy, and therefore the experience will clear up, or you could say it disappears. But perhaps a better way of explaining is that it integrates into your sense of well-being because it's now life-enhancing energy. It's clearly contributing to your liveness, into your well-being.

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Bob Frissell: That's the harmonizing principle.

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Bob Frissell: And and and those really, those 3 principles really are the basis of my breath. Alchemy technique

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Bob Frissell: took me many years to discover that many years, through trial and error and the school of hard knocks. Nope, this don't work that don't work, and it finally finally getting. And I had a lot of help along the way a lot of teachers and I. Finally, I finally figured it out, and when I say figured it out experientially, I got it.

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Bob Frissell: So the practical application of the harmonizing principle is contained in my breath alchemy technique. And it's what I call the five-step harmonizing method.

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Bob Frissell: And so the exact method that I teach for transmuting energy is, you learn to breathe in a certain way.

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Bob Frissell: And like I said earlier, you can't just tell people these things you got to show them. And so I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you a certain breathing rhythm that we use in the breath alchemy technique. And I'm just going to shut up and breathe.

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Bob Frissell: For a moment.

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Bob Frissell: Okay, there's a demonstration. I just took 5 circular breaths. And what I mean by circular breaths. That's the name I call the breathing we use in breath alchemy, and what it is is, as you noticed. 1st of all, I did it in and out through my mouth. I could have done it in and out through my nose either way will work, but I did it through the mouth.

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Bob Frissell: What I mean by circular breathing is that I'm pulling the inhale, but I'm pulling it firmly, yet smoothly and evenly, very much like an elevator taking you from the ground floor up to the 1st floor. What you expect from that elevator ride is for it to take you up firmly yet for it to be a very smooth and a very even ride. Anything less than that. If it's hooky, jerky. You're better off taking the stairs, and that's probably the way you'll go the next time around.

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Bob Frissell: There's no pause at all. And without pause at all. Without any pause. The inhale just merges into and becomes the the exhale.

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Bob Frissell: The exhale is like the elevator coming down. I'm not adding anything to it. The elevator coming down is going to be a nice, smooth, and even descent, so there's no control on the exhale at the end of the exhale without pause. I immediately begin the inhale again, and here's 5 more.

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Bob Frissell: Well, what circular breathing does is it dramatically increases the energy flow through your body?

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Bob Frissell: It puts you in touch with source energy itself, which is most commonly called prana, although it's also been the Chinese call it Shi. The Japanese call it key. It's also been called Tachyon energy, and there's probably other names for it. But I call it prana.

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Bob Frissell: It is the source of the energy of life without life, without prana there is no life. It's that vital. We cannot exist for a nanosecond without it. So yes, we do take it in primarily through the air that we breathe, but we breathe in such a shallow, inefficient manner that we're just barely tapping into that flow.

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Bob Frissell: tapping into it only enough to keep the body alive for well, statistically, 70 odd plus years, but never enough to access our innate ability to transmute life, detracting stuck energy into life-enhancing, healthy energy. That's what the circular breathing does, but it doesn't do it just by itself. It does it in combination with harmonizing with the effects of the circular breathing.

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Bob Frissell: So what is the effect of the circular breathing? Well, 1st of all, what it does is it dramatically increases the energy flow through your body. And so what I do is I teach you to relax into that, and to honor the presence of that increase. Energy flow by opening up your inner feeling sense, so you can be there. Present with it on a feeling level.

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Bob Frissell: and that is in hand. That's the second step, the complete relaxation. The 3rd step just speaks to really enhancing your ability to tune in, to feel that it's called awareness and detail.

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Bob Frissell: And so you don't

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Bob Frissell: run away from the feeling quite to the contrary, you open up your inner feeling sense to let yourself feel your inner body as best you can from head to toe.

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Bob Frissell: That will allow you to be totally present with the increased energy flow. It will also allow you to be totally present with the other aspect of the circular breathing, and that is the healing component, because what it will also do in that increased energy flow is bring up patterns of stuck energy that you have been avoiding, that you have been resisting, that you've been stuck in resistance leads to persistence with because it doesn't feel good.

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Bob Frissell: Well, the reason it doesn't feel good is because we've been habitually making it wrong, judging it and trying to keep it suppressed, trying to just bury it as deeply as we can. So we don't have to deal with it, so we don't have to feel it.

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Bob Frissell: But if you will tune into that and feel it with detailed awareness and do it in a context of acceptance, which is the 4th step. The 4th step is that you find a more useful way of relating to the feeling than making it wrong.

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Bob Frissell: duh, if you continue to make it wrong, it's gonna to feel. Gonna continue to feel yucky.

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Bob Frissell: But if you can learn to make peace with the feeling moment by moment, element by element. What you will find is that you're getting in touch with your innate ability to transmute that energy, and it will quickly transform into life-enhancing, useful energy that feels not only feels good, but it feels great. That's the process known as integration.

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Bob Frissell: Well, the 5th step says you don't have to do any of that stuff perfectly.

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Bob Frissell: You just do your best, because the real and the only absolute requirement is your burning desire. And in this case it's your burning desire to go for health and wellness and a feeling of well-being. In other words, you know, being present in life and feeling great in life, Helen Keller said. At best, when she said, life is either an exciting adventure or it's nothing.

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Bob Frissell: So how's about transforming just going through the motions into an exciting adventure.

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Bob Frissell: Well, sounds pretty good to me, and breath alchemy through the process of integration, through the process of discovering and then mastering your innate ability to transform that life, detracting stuck energy into life-enhancing, healthy energy is the ticket to creating a life being an exciting adventure, really.

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Kris Ashley: Thank you so much for sharing all of that. I feel like

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Kris Ashley: myself and listeners just got handed the keys to our own body and health. And you know, I I know I wanna come get a session with you and it it makes sense right, because we have to feel the things that we're repressing. We have to shift our perspective around them, and if we keep ignoring things and pushing them down like of.

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Kris Ashley: of course there's the the universe has that way of like shaking you right like, if you're pushing something away, it's like, Hey, I'm gonna show you this louder and louder.

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Kris Ashley: You said something really interesting in your book that's related to this that I wanted to ask about. You said that we hold our breath in moments of pain.

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Kris Ashley: and the 1st breath that we take in this world is painful, and that kind of blew my mind. And so it makes sense that we're healing with breath. But can you talk a little bit about that about breath being painful? Usually.

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Bob Frissell: Well, yeah, it really does go back to birth. And it even is much more basic than that.

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Bob Frissell: And nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how things are. I make the case. How we fell from from the experience of unity 13,000 years ago in Atlantis, and we became our reactive minds.

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Bob Frissell: The distinction is that when we're in unity, we're connected to source through our higher self, the higher self is the heartfelt connection to source to all that is, and it puts you into the present moment. And it's only in the present moment where your higher self is. Your connection to source is available to you, and it's therefore only in the present moment, when you get the the

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Bob Frissell: unlimited reservoir of the goodies that come through that connection to source. And that's inner peace and joyfulness and creativity and inspiration. You know all the good stuff in life. In other words, well, when we fall and became our reactive mind, the reactive mind. It doesn't know the present moment. It's in a continual state of judgment. It looks out at the reality, and it compares the situation.

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Bob Frissell: the person that you're dealing with to what you think that person ideally should be like, and if that person doesn't measure up, we judge that person, and we have a vested interest. And I'm right. And you're wrong, usually with a lot of emotional charge.

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Bob Frissell: There are alternatives to hospital births, not making it wrong, but just saying there's better ways.

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Bob Frissell: Really, we need to be shown that the that the outside world is a safe place. It's a fun place, and it has infinitely more possibilities than the confines of the womb.

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Bob Frissell: so if the cord was kept in place until it stops pulsing, however long that might be, where we learn to transition from the way we breathed in the womb to the way we must breathe outside here in the outside world, then life would show up differently because our breathing would not be suppressed, it would not be stuck, it would not be inhibited.

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Bob Frissell: But when the 1st breath is forced upon us we're we're forced to breathe in a do or die situation.

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Bob Frissell: And the situation is such that the yeah, we have to breathe. But it's met with searing pain, and the lungs are filled with amniotic fluid. And so we're choking on that breath. And that's how we learned how to breathe.

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Bob Frissell: And so most people have been subventilating most everybody subventilating, which is the form of holding your breath ever since. And that's what I meant. What I said earlier about people being very shallow breathers. It really does go back to the 1st breath.

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Bob Frissell: And so what that does is it absolutely ensures that you and I will become mind-based entities, living life conceptually, not knowing the present moment, because the mind doesn't know the present moment. It sees the present through the eyes of the past, through the eyes of the unresolved issues that go way back to the moment of the 1st breath, and continue with the programming that we receive

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Bob Frissell: through parents and other authority figures. Not that they aren't doing their best, not that they aren't well minded, but it's a multi-generational pattern that gets handed on from generation to generation because they were born in a hospital situation. They had parents who had, who were living life conceptually, and it just goes on and on until finally we learn to break the cycle.

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Bob Frissell: see if I can put all the pieces together here right now. So what I mean when I say that when we're living out of our reactive mind. The mind does not know the present moment. It sees the present through the eyes of the past, through the eyes of the unresolved emotional trauma like I said, that began at birth and continues through early childhood.

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Bob Frissell: and and and so we either conform to that, or we rebel against it. But either way we're at the effect of the same thing. And

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Bob Frissell: Then there's no pathway to the Higher Self. There's no pathway to your heartfelt connection to source. And so that's where life becomes just a series of going through the motions.

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Bob Frissell: it's not true. There are times when you and I are very much present very much in the present moment, and that's when time just slows down and life becomes an exciting adventure. But the problem is, it doesn't last for most people for very long, and so we quickly revert to living life conceptually out of our minds. A lot more I can say about that, and if you want me to, I will.

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Kris Ashley: have been on the forefront of my mind so much. I told you. I just gave birth 5 months ago. And so, you know.

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Kris Ashley: wanting to raise a conscious child. And you know, just just thinking about programming and all that like I wanted to have one of the dolphin bursts. My husband thought I was crazy. That dune below talks about. It's really hard to to find those anywhere. By the way.

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Kris Ashley: but no, I really, I really appreciate everything you say. And you know, when you were talking about perfection before you were talking about. We have all these barriers to perfection, and I have a feeling you were referencing our thoughts and emotions right? How they can stop you from kind of getting what you want, so I would love it if you would talk a little bit about those, and maybe that's the direction you were going to go anyway. But I think that

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Bob Frissell: Great. Yeah. Well, let's come back to the present moment when I and I'll just expand on the thought or the idea that the react to mind is in a continual state of judgment.

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Bob Frissell: and I don't think I don't need to convince anybody that that's true. Just take a look at your own reactive mind and see if that is not. I mean, people listening to this right now are judging everything I say. Come on, that's just the way we are.

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Bob Frissell: Well, every time you and I judge something we're comparing it, as I said earlier, to an imaginary standard, the ideal standard, the ideal version that your mind has of how that person, or how that situation should be. And so, if there's something about something about you that I don't like, because you don't measure up to that standard, I'm going to judge you. In other words, I'm going to make you wrong.

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Bob Frissell: And then usually there's a lot of. I'm right and you're wrong. That's associated with that, you know a lot of emotional charge. Yeah, it's me. And I'm and I I'm right. And yeah, you know, you know the script. We've all done it.

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Bob Frissell: And so what that is is that there are 2 things going on here at the same time. It's really 2 of a different version of the same thing. The 1st is, there's a conceptual component. There's the thought, and the thought is a make wrong thought, it's judgment. I'm right, and you're wrong.

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Bob Frissell: And so if you begin to notice your reactive mind, what it will do every time you have that judgment is, it will do everything you can to take you into the narrative, into the story, into the details about why I am right and why you are wrong, and it will also do everything it can to take you to take you away from the instantly generated pattern of energy because the feeling doesn't feel good.

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Bob Frissell: But like I said earlier, it doesn't feel good because it can't, because the judgment behind it, with the emotional charge associated with it is an unpleasant thought, and unpleasant thoughts only bring forth unpleasant feelings.

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Bob Frissell: So there's the deal right there. There is your reactive mind at work. It'll do everything it can to take you over, and in the unaware state it succeeds virtually 100% of the time, and that's probably an understatement. It probably exceeds succeeds 100% of the time.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's what I say. What's what I mean when I say that we just live life conceptually, just going through the motions. There's no real presence, there's no real aliveness. There's certainly no present moment there in order to break that spell what I suggest, and I detail this in both of my books, and that is, just learn to become an impartial observer of your mind. Just learn to watch your mind. Learn to watch your thoughts

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Bob Frissell: and just as in breath alchemy, you find a more useful way of relating to the feeling than making it wrong. In other words, you find a way to allow it to be exactly the way it is to make peace with it, rather than to make war with it rather than to resist it, and in so doing you will discover that you are not your mind.

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Bob Frissell: You're not your thoughts, you're not, you're you're none of that stuff. You're something much greater, because look here I am. I'm watching my mind. How could I be my mind? And I'm now watching how I used to, just in the unaware state, just habitually buy into that narrative and allow my mind to take me away

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Bob Frissell: that is greatly enhanced by being present, moment by moment with the corresponding feeling, and discovering your innate ability to transmute that feeling into healthy life, enhancing energy. And that's again really the basis of breath alchemy to breath alchemy. We just add the power of the circular breathing.

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Bob Frissell: So I hope what I've said there, I don't remember the question, but that's the answer. I get carried away, and.

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Kris Ashley: No, I I love it. I feel like I could listen. You talk all day, and you totally nailed it. You totally answered the question.

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Kris Ashley: It was something about thoughts and emotions. And you you hit it right on the head.

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Kris Ashley: yeah, you know, one of the other things you really talked about, because we're talking about healing. One of the other things you talked about in the book that really had a profound effect on me was healing our parent, healing our relationship with our parents. And

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Kris Ashley: I did your little exercise in the book, and I realized that I could forgive my dad for choosing to die, and I started bawling when I read the book. I don't know if I even shared that with you, but you know he he had the choice of getting a feeding tube which he had had before and hated, or just going, and

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Kris Ashley: I didn't realize how angry I was at him for not meeting his grandson because of that. And anyway, it it had such a profound effect in me. I wanted to thank you, but I also wanted you to share a little bit about that with listeners, because I think it'll have a profound effect in everyone.

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Bob Frissell: Well, yeah, okay. So I've talked a little bit about the higher self before earlier in this conversation, and a little quite a bit about the reactive mind.

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Bob Frissell: But don't worry. It will be, and that's the conditioning that we all have gone through, and we've become our reactive minds, we, at a certain point gave up our natural divinity in the name of following instructions in order to get along with authority figures in our life. Not bad people, but people who were doing the best they could, who were at the effect of their reactive minds because of their programming from their parents, etc. Etc. Etc.

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Bob Frissell: Okay. So in order to go up, you must 1st go down and heal the inner child, the unresolved emotional trauma that to some degree you and I, and everybody experienced in our childhood, and at a certain point gave up our natural divinity in the name of following instructions, and we became good little actors and good little actresses, and just going through the motions ever since

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Kris Ashley: Thank you for walking us through that. I love that you were struck by it, too. It does any part of you, this just side note, feel like you channeled some of your books, and then you go back. And you're like, Wow! That was really profound. Do you ever have that experience?

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Bob Frissell: was led by Agnatan, who is a Krist-conscious being, a 4th dimensional being. And that's a whole story by itself. But I'll just put that out right now, and primarily because of the name of his twelve-year mystery school was the law of one guess what he was bringing forth.

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Bob Frissell: and so initially, the law of one was presented on planet Earth through Aknoten, and presented through his twelve-year mystery school, but, like, they say, in the law of one, it was accepted by very few.

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Bob Frissell: Agnaughton was a rather amazing being, to say the least. But the problem is is that he just brought forth this information and said, Everything has got to change like it or not.

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Bob Frissell: but for one brief shining moment, for about 17 and a half years, 12 of those years in his, in his law of one mystery school. He was allowed to bring forth that information

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Bob Frissell: and I just you know, the inquisitiveness in me said, Well, what's that all about? So I started looking around, and I figured well, the best place to look is in the local bookstore. That's where I went, and lo and behold!

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Bob Frissell: I found a book that was called, I think it was called the raw material raw, being a humble messenger of the law of one something like that. And I go, Bingo! There it is. So I picked that book up, and I ran with it and discovered it was just the 1st of 4 or 5 in a series of books.

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Bob Frissell: and it became an exciting new adventure that I continue to learn and grow from to this very day, because there's just no end to the wisdom and the knowledge and the understanding on a very deep level that's contained there.

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Bob Frissell: You don't even have to buy the books anymore. Just go to law of one.org. And the whole thing is right there. So that's really where a lot of my stuff comes from. That's where it's sourced.

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Kris Ashley: Maybe I read that in flower of life about the second Mystery school being called that, but it didn't register, and I didn't even know about Raw and the love one until I read your book catching the Ascension Wave, which just came out last year, and I was like, What is this about? And then on my Instagram, it started showing up right. And I was like, Huh! That's interesting. I had followed it already, and I didn't even know it but once I was conscious of it, it started appearing. I was like, Oh, that's really interesting.

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Kris Ashley: Okay, I wanna ask you, we talked about the 3 universal principles, and there's kind of a 4th one, right? The law of cause and effect. So I would love for you to just talk about that a little bit, just to kind of switch gears.

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Bob Frissell: Well, we must understand that wanting is defined as both conscious mind and subconscious mind. Because if you're hearing this for the 1st time, and I just said you always get what you want. There's no exceptions, and you're sitting there going that, hey? Hey? Wait a minute. I've got a job that I absolutely hate for a boss that I absolutely test. Now, why would I want that? And why would I create that? I certainly don't want that in my life.

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Bob Frissell: Well, wanting is defined as both conscious and subconscious mind. The mind is like the iceberg. The part that you see is only 10 of the iceberg. The remaining 90 is below the surface. It's in the subconscious mind where we have all these beliefs, all these belief systems that become the unwitting filter through which we experience life.

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Bob Frissell: and and so in the unaware state. We don't know that. In fact, it's even worse. We don't know, and we don't know that we don't know that we're looking at life through this filter, through this on question, unexamined assumptions based on all these subconscious belief systems in the subconscious mind, all of which are based on the unresolved, emotional, and in many cases unresolved physical trauma that we experienced as a child.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's what I mean when I say that the mind doesn't know the present moment. It sees the present through the eyes of the past, through the eyes of the unresolved trauma that is still unerringly creating a reality moment by moment by moment. And so there is a part of you deep in your subconscious mind that no matter what it is.

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Bob Frissell: no matter how pleasant, unpleasant the work situation might be, or the boss might be. There's a part of you that absolutely believes that it needs to be that way, and until you get beneath the surface and address the root cause of that problem, you're only going to continue to recreate it because you're confronting the resistance principle. The principle that says, whatever you resist will continue to persist.

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Bob Frissell: Now in both of my books I give detailed explanations as to how to go in and resolve all of that.

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Bob Frissell: and to get back into the present moment I can go through it very quickly right here. It's really what I like to call a three-step process. And the 1st step is to just

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Bob Frissell: and when you learn to get to the other side of that, with that same law of cause and effect, says, you can have anything you want in your life, and in fact, you get it.

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Bob Frissell: and when you learn to use it consciously, in other words, learn to root out and resolve the unquestioned, unexamined belief systems that are creating less than what you want. Now you're opening up the space to create exactly what you do want. And so life begins to show up.

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Bob Frissell: So the 1st step is to take responsibility. And the way I like to put that is you. You just use the law of cause and effect backwards, and you just whatever is going on in your life that is less than perfect.

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Bob Frissell: Really, there is no such thing as right or wrong in the larger scheme of things, because every right and wrong is a function of our polarized mind, and our polarized mind is a function of living in an unaware state, in a very dense aspect to the reality where we're vibrating at a very slow rate because we're continually at the effect of these unresolved emotional patterns.

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Bob Frissell: That opens the doorway to the 3rd step. And the 3rd step is that you just ask yourself a very useful question, and that is, how would I like to feel?

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Bob Frissell: Well, we all want to feel good. So that's pretty obvious. Well, the question is, how do you get from feeling Yucky being at the effect of these unresolved patterns to feeling good again, and that is, you learn to discover your innate ability to transmute that life, detracting stuck energy into life-enhancing energy that is now moving

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Bob Frissell: when when the energy is allowed to transmute and become life enhancing energy. Now it's vibrating at a much higher vibratory rate.

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Bob Frissell: the higher vibrating energy is the energy of the higher worlds of the 4th dimension. It's the energy of the present moment. It's the energy of your heartfelt connection to source through your higher self, the energy of unconditional love, of joyfulness, of creativity, of inspiration of inner peace and all the goodies in life.

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Bob Frissell: So it just all comes back to discovering and mastering your innate ability to transmute energy, because that's what we are.

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Bob Frissell: and that we can have, you know God comes on a cloud, and says, Look, Kris, you can have one wish it could be anything you want. Take as much time as you need, consult with as many experts as you want, and let me know when you're ready and I will give it to you.

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Bob Frissell: Okay, you've taken all the time you've need. You've consulted with all the experts you've come to the conclusion after who knows how much consultation and and just, you know, contemplation and all of that.

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Bob Frissell: without exception, without question. What you would choose is the law of cause and effect.

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Kris Ashley: it's how we manifest everything right into our lives. And even the things that like you said, even the things that we don't want in our lives. We are conscious we are creating, whether consciously or not. What a great way to wrap up.

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Bob Frissell: All of it, every single bit of a.

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Kris Ashley: Yeah, and I think that's.

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Kris Ashley: So I post a lot of content about the same thing. And there's so much resistance, because people aren't ready to hear that right? They say, well, what about these injustices? I see. What about these prejudices? I see. What about these horrible racism and sexism and wars, and all that.

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Kris Ashley: What is your response to that.

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Bob Frissell: Well, everything that's going out. There is just an outward reflection of what's going on inside of you.

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Bob Frissell: And so what we live in it is a very polarized world that's become more polarized than ever.

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Bob Frissell: but it's the necessary, the very necessary condition for wakening up, because what's going on here is that there's a much higher vibratory energy that's coming into in preparation for taking us through ascension into the 4th dimension. And that's the higher vibratory energy of unconditional love and joyfulness and creativity, and all that good stuff, and what it's doing is stirring up the pot.

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Bob Frissell: Now the thing is is that the darkness out there, which is just an outer reflection of the darkness going on within us. It's been allowed to exist in the anaware state.

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Bob Frissell: But now everything is accelerated to such an extent that it's being forced out of the shadows and into the light of the day.

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Bob Frissell: and there is a very simple yet very powerful universal principle that says, darkness cannot survive in the presence of light.

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Bob Frissell: You can illustrate this by going into a totally darkened room where you can't see a thing yet the moment you flip on the light switch, what happens to the darkness it disappears, it gets transmuted into the light, the darkness gets transmuted into light.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's what's going on out there. But it's all a function of 1st of all is going on within here. There's a great awakening that's going on in this planet right now. It may not always look that way because people are going through this transition.

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Bob Frissell: but people in large numbers are discovering their innate ability to transmute energy and to discover presence, and in so doing begin to have a direct impact on enormously raising the quality of the vibratory rate out there, and so that we're coming to a point where it's no longer necessary.

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Bob Frissell: even though it doesn't look that way right now, we're still in transition.

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Bob Frissell: There's really 3 states of energy that you and I, individually and collectively, must go through in order to create integration into into the higher vibratory rate. The 1st is suppression.

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Bob Frissell: and that's where everything is allowed to exist, either inside of us or out there in the darkness. And so it's just allowed to do its thing behind the curtain. You're not conscious, mind aware of it

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Bob Frissell: as you begin to become conscious, mind aware of it, or very simply, you begin to get triggered

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Bob Frissell: and become aware enough of the triggering effect to stay present rather than to let your reactive mind just take you over. Then you begin to realize that that's the second state you're in a second state called activation.

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Bob Frissell: And if you can learn to find a more useful way of relating to the activation than make its energetic, component wrong, you will discover your innate ability to transmute that energy, and therefore to create the 3rd component, which is integration.

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Bob Frissell: And so that's when the energy gets transmuted and and and it's begins within. Here you transmute the energy into here into life, enhancing energy. And then the rippling effect is such that the critical mass is being created and it's creating a. It's creating a world that's worth living in.

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Bob Frissell: bold statement. Describe exactly what ascension is all about and how we are very much in the process of going through ascension into the higher worlds, like it or not, or know it or not, and how everybody is going to be taken care of, and that in the process of going through this, this is the transition we're going through right now.

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Bob Frissell: You don't here again. You just can't plaster it over pretending it's not there and medicate the unresolved feelings inside of you over. You have to learn how to transmute them so that the shift is real. The transmutation is real. The same thing out there.

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Bob Frissell: When we learn that everything out there is outward reflection of what's going on in here, we're creating that critical mass that allows Mother Earth to become lit from within, to create the cradle mass from within, to allow the shift to begin to take place, and in the interim.

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Bob Frissell: The mess that we've made out there is going to continue is going to begin to clear itself up.

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Bob Frissell: And I submit that we're going to be experiencing life in a way that we probably never even dreamed possible. And I think that's going to be coming a whole lot sooner than most people might think.

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Bob Frissell: stay tuned I'm talking about within the next year or 2 or 3.

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Bob Frissell: Like I'm just blowing smoke right now to see.

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Kris Ashley: No, I I want you to be right.

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Kris Ashley: all right. He said it here first.st Now, that's that's the kind of world I want for my kid, for sure.

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Kris Ashley: I want to be respectful of your time, or a few minutes after. How are you doing for time? Do we need to wrap up.

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Kris Ashley: You are okay. That's okay. Cause I feel like I could talk to you forever. Okay, I wanna I wanna ask you then. So all over social media. I know you don't have an Instagram and Facebook. But all over social media. There's these.

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Kris Ashley: the the hashtag. 5 d. Is buzzing right? We're moving into 5. D all this stuff Droona talks more about. And you you talk more about how we're moving into the 4th dimension, and we're gonna have that boost in chromosomes. So what?

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Kris Ashley: How? How do you? How do you juggle those 2 ideas? Are they the same thing saying it different ways. Or what do you think about that.

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Kris Ashley: Sorry. Explain. So the way that you and Drew Glow talk about it. We're moving from the 3rd dimension into the 4th right and the 3rd was only meant to be a stepping stone. And it's disharmonic. It's chaotic, right? And the 4th is more harmonic

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Bob Frissell: Well, what I'll say to that is that to be specific, and nothing in this book is true. I'm very specific about just exactly what the dimensional worlds are, how they're separated by wavelength. And as you go up in the dimensional worlds the vibration becomes much higher, the frequency becomes much shorter, and it's an extreme elevation and consciousness.

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Bob Frissell: The law of one says that the 4th dimension is 100 times more harmonious than even your very best moments here on 3rd dimensional earth. To be exact and specific, we're going into either the 10, th 11, th or 12th overtone of the 4th dimension.

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Bob Frissell: Here again. It's a much shorter wavelength. It's a much higher, vibratory rate. It's a much more harmonious 100 times more harmonious than even your best moments right here on planet Earth. Those who are talking about 5 d. The law of one makes it very clear you cannot get to the 5th Dimension until you've gone through the 4th dimension

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Bob Frissell: so frankly I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Excuse my French, and and maybe it's just a maybe it's just a gimmick. Maybe they know what they're talking about. I don't know, and I don't really want to go there, but what I will say in order to make it very simple.

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Bob Frissell: What we're talking about in so many ways when we're talking about moving into the higher, higher vibratory worlds is literally the process of moving out of your reactive mind and back into the heartfelt presence of your connection to source through your higher self, where the present moment, which is the only moment that creativity and inspiration and the higher vibratory rates of all those goodies in life can show up.

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Bob Frissell: That's the higher vibratory rate of the higher dimensions, and we 1st of all have to create it here before we can even hope to learn how to transmute our bodies and disappear as we learn how to create a light body in an instant, disappear and reappear into the higher worlds.

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Bob Frissell: So you can only cover that superficially and just a, you know, and just a sound bite. But, believe me, I do go into great detail in both of my books.

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Bob Frissell: The 25th anniversary edition of nothing in this book is true, and also catching the ascension wave

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Bob Frissell: and use the law of one use. What I learned out of Drunvelo's flower of life workshop to back me up. Use what I learned out of Agnaughton's law of one mystery school to back me up, so it's not just me saying it, but I do know something about raising our vibratory rate through transmuting energy that comes through direct experience.

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Kris Ashley: I hope that answers the question. No, it does, and I'm with you. I'm like, I don't know what the hell they're talking about, either.

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Kris Ashley: Yes.

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Kris Ashley: and if you're listening seriously, pick up Bob's books, they're so good they're so good. And he really does go into so much more detail. And there. He talks about ancient Egypt, and he talks about the Ets, which we didn't even like. Get to today. Which, by the way, do you do you. What do you think about the fact that

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Kris Ashley: I don't know if you listen to Joe Rogan. I sent you a Joe Rogan episode. I don't know if you listen to it. But Terrence Howard was on there talking about the flower of life. Joe Rogan's talking about Zachariah Sitchin and the Anunnaki. It's becoming these things that we've been in we've been talking about for decades

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Kris Ashley: are becoming into the mainstream. Do you? Do you feel like that's part of this awakening.

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Bob Frissell: No question about it.

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Kris Ashley: Yeah.

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Bob Frissell: 20. I've been researching this stuff for since 1990. And in 1990, if I were to try to talk about any of this stuff right then I would have been laughed and and shown the door. But now people can hear it. Oh, the shift has been enormous! It's been tremendous.

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Bob Frissell: It's not. It's like, I say, it's not really yet apparent, because we're going through what I like to call the dark night of the soul, and I'm not the only one who calls it that. I think you talked about it, too, in your book. So different people have talked about this dark night of the soul. And really what it is is this displacement process that is a direct function, this higher vibratory energy that's coming in

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Bob Frissell: through what's called through the secret space program as the what what do they call it? Cosmic dust cloud?

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Bob Frissell: I I forget it. I shouldn't have said that cause. I can't remember what they call it.

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Kris Ashley: Well, I liked that. That was cool.

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Bob Frissell: Yeah, the secret space program is calling it a great cosmic dust cloud. They've been out there. And and what it's doing is it's forcing everybody to wake up either that or be consumed by your unresolved emotional traumas, and so push is coming to shove. And what that does is, whether you like it or not, it tends to accelerate

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Bob Frissell: the healing process. But if you don't know what's the healing process, then you're going to get stuck in the anxiety and the fear and the resentment, and all of that stuff you're going to get stuck in your reactive mind's version of it rather than your innate ability to transmute the energetic component into life, enhancing energy.

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Bob Frissell: But as we wake up we learn to make that distinction and learn how to heal it.

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Bob Frissell: So it's it's not readily apparent, but it is happening at a very rapid rate. Goodness sakes!

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Bob Frissell: The difference, like I was suggesting in the past 35 years is dramatic.

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Bob Frissell: and it just continues to grow.

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Kris Ashley: Do you think that there's gonna be 2 camps of people, those who

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Kris Ashley: who identify with their reactive mind and get stuck in the fear and the drama and the panic cycle, and those who really have true healing and can help create this new earth? Or does everyone eventually come through the dark night of the soul, and we're all better off on the other side.

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Bob Frissell: Well, there's the rippling effect.

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Bob Frissell: and there's the

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Bob Frissell: maybe you've heard of the 100th monkey theory, and and and you know, I

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Bob Frissell: what that is

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Bob Frissell: really to cut to the quick on it. What it speaks to is the rippling effect

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Bob Frissell: that once a certain once a new idea has reached a certain level of of once enough people have gotten it. It doesn't need to be anywhere near a majority, but you add, get enough people who have latched on to that new way of being. And then, Bingo, the rippling effect begins to take mass to take effect, and you create the critical mass.

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Bob Frissell: And so what it does is creates a pathway for people to wake up in accelerated ways that they're not even at 1st conscious mind aware of

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Bob Frissell: and then they discover it in themselves, and and and then they're ready to go.

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Bob Frissell: So each person its own time. But it's all being accelerated dramatically, and

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Bob Frissell: the 100th monkey thing is real.

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Bob Frissell: But.

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Bob Frissell: Kris, there's just so much more to this that you know we'd need to go 3, 4 more hours to cover all of it, and I just

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Bob Frissell: I don't think we have the time to go there.

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Kris Ashley: Yeah, yeah, no, I I appreciate you staying over. I just. It's always cool to get your thoughts. I just appreciate your time so much. Thank you.

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Kris Ashley: I'm sure listeners want to know where they can find you, how they can work with you, what your website is, where they can get your books. So if you wanna share that.

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Kris Ashley: please share.

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Bob Frissell: Yeah. Well, if you want to know more about me, just go to my website, Bob forzell.com

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Bob Frissell: FRIS SELL. To spell it bob for sale.com but really, what I would suggest when you get there is that you check out the links to my books.

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Bob Frissell: I do offer 3, 30 min consultation for anybody who wants to talk to me. But the prerequisite is, you need to have read at least one of those 2 books, so we can speak

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Bob Frissell: cause we can't. We can't really talk. We can't really get up to speed, unless you have that that much of a background in you. But if you do, and if what you've read resonates with you, and I do feel it would. I do feel it will, or you wouldn't be listening to this. In the 1st place.

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Bob Frissell: if if it does resonate, and if you do feel so inclined. Then I'd love to talk to talk to you, and from there we can get a grip and get an understanding of just where to go and what the next best step for you might be, and if if working with me further, might be a good fit for you.

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Bob Frissell: if it's not the right fit. Well, then, let's

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Bob Frissell: look at something else. But if it is the right fit, let's dig a little bit deeper and see what we can do together.

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Bob Frissell: So that's really what I suggest. Go to my website, check out my books, and then if you want more, just check out and

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Bob Frissell: the opportunity to talk to me for 30 min.

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Kris Ashley: That's so generous of you, and that link will be in the show notes as well. So if you're listening to this in the car or something, you can always come back. Bob, thank you so much again for your time. It was such a pleasure, and if you are listening. Please send this to someone like comment, share, subscribe. Let's all help raise the consciousness of humanity. And the planet have a beautiful rest of your day. Everyone.