0:00 - Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Change Your Mind Podcast.
0:03 - I'm your host, Kris Ashley and I am so excited for my guest today.
0:08 - His name is Mike Nichols.
0:09 - I'm actually gonna let him introduce himself because his story is just so fascinating and I've really been looking forward to this interview for quite some time now.
0:18 - So welcome, Mike. I'm really glad to have you here today.
0:22 - Kris, Thank you very much. I'm happy to be here again.
0:25 - I'm Mike Nicholas. I live in on the east coast pretty far from you in northern Virginia and I wound up here because I was in the military and worked at the Pentagon for, for quite some time, just real quick.
0:39 - By way of background, I come from a pretty conservative background.
0:42 - I was the oldest of seven Children, very Catholic family in New Jersey had a wonderful childhood.
0:49 - So I, I have none of those, those things going on but wonderful childhood.
0:54 - Catholic grade school, Catholic high school.
0:56 - I went to the US Military Academy at West Point, graduated as an armor officer.
1:04 - It served in, as an armored cab officer for eight years in Germany and in Louisiana.
1:11- And then I served in Reserves for another 12 years.
1:15 - I was in the Pentagon after I got out of the military.
1:18 - So I was in the Pentagon from 2000 to 2015.
1:21 - I was there in 911 and I was always just a very pragmatic engineering military guy that thought what we're about to discuss was a bunch of nonsense.
1:32 - I ranked it right up there with fortune cookies and carnival palm readers with, with which I have an experience.
1:40 - So anyway, that, that's what the background I come from.
1:42 - And the reason we're doing this podcast is because my life was completely changed around to now where I accept and embrace the kind of things that I thought were crazy before and my life has completely changed basically.
1:57 - Yeah. Thank you so much for explaining all that I know my listeners were probably like, so why is he here?
2:03 - [ Intro ]
2:34 - So, the reason that you and I met is you have an amazing podcast.
2:38 - If you want to just talk a little bit about your podcast and, and what it is you do now because what I love about you is you have this as you call left brain past and you just come at everything with this genuine curiosity, no judgment.
2:54 - You're just, you're open and you're curious.
2:56 - So if you could explain a little bit about your podcast and then we'll get a little bit more into your spiritual awakening after that.
3:03 - Sure, I, I got to the podcast really because I started to write a book and I'm not an author, I've never written before.
3:10 - I mean, I've kept a journal, I guess for, since my kids were little.
3:15 - But in one of the sessions I was having with the medium, which for me was way out there after I had this, the spiritual issue or spiritual conversion.
3:24 - She, she told me that I, I need to write a book.
3:27 - And so I started the book and then I ran into somebody just online that does podcasting and they suggested podcasting.
3:36 - So I started podcasting about a year or so ago.
3:39 - This podcast is called The Soul Unleashed, which is also the title of the book.
3:44 - And I've interviewed people that everything from mystics to mediums, to psychics, to astrologist, things that again, I would have thought were too far out there to be considered seriously and now I'm open to everything.
4:02 - So past life progression.
4:04 - Nice.
4:05 - Well, I'm sure everyone is wondering how did the left brain conservative upbringing West Point graduate who worked at the Pentagon start to create this, this adventure and journey and excursion into all of this knowledge.
4:23 - So, tell us about your spiritual awakening.
4:25 - How did that happen for you?
4:26 - It like it happened for a lot of people.
4:28 - It was a traumatic experience for me and my wife.
4:33 - We had two boys.
4:35 - one or a younger son suffered from liver disease and he suffered for about a year and then passed away in 2020.
4:44 - And it was just as the pandemic was getting started.
4:47 - So if you can remember March of 2020 it was a very challenging time.
4:52 - He was in a hospital and then in a nursing home and he couldn't, we couldn't see him in nursing homes were closed down and then he passed away.
5:04 - I don't think it's probably necessarily good under the circumstances, but he, he was in a coma for about a day and we didn't even know that he, he had been taken back to the hospital because they couldn't tell us.
5:14 - And his name was Matt and Matt passed away on March 28th of 2020.
5:20 - So it was very difficult for my wife and I, we have another son that has two beautiful grandchildren not far from us.
5:27 - The love of our lives.
5:28 - But, but Matt was special and he, he, we missed him a lot.
5:35 - I guess that's the best way to put it, one day in May, it was May 17th, actually of 2020.
5:42 - My wife suggested to me that I go out hit some golf balls because Matt and I used to do that.
5:46 - Just the father and son kind of thing went to the driving range hitting golf balls.
5:50 - I started crying so badly that I couldn't finish hitting the golf balls and I just walked away and went home, got back to the house and project manager type that I am.
6:00 - I had a list of to do things for that.
6:02 - That day.
6:03 - One of them was to, to install some Amazon blink security cameras.
6:08 - Little things about yay big.
6:09 - I had two of them.
6:10 - I put one on the outside looking at a back door and one on the inside looking at the sliding glass door in our dining room and we went to bed and about 20 minutes past midnight, it pinked my phone pinged and I didn't even know what it meant, but I just set things up with the default setting.
6:28 - I had no clue what it meant, but I looked at my phone and it said there was an emotion alarm on your dining room camera and I thought holy crap, I just installed this thing and somebody's breaking in our back door.
6:41 - So I jumped up out of bed, this is Virginia.
6:44 - Right.
6:44 - So I had my gun and my phone, 11 in each hand and I'm, I'm going down the stairs and I looked at my phone and it had a button to push which to show me what it was, the camera had picked up and I was trying to be sure, I knew what, what I was about to face,, pushed the button and stopped in my tracks and what it was was,, what I now describe as an orb.
7:07 - So it was a glowing blinking round luminescent thing in the dining room that started where Matt would normally sit when he sat, when he, when he visited us and it blinked as it moved towards the camera and then out of camera range.
7:25 - I, I knew right away instinctively that it was related to Matt and that he was trying to, to comfort me in some way.
7:32 - I, I just, I just knew that I woke my wife up.
7:35 - We couldn't get back to sleep.
7:36 - We kept watching it over and over again and I, I didn't know what it was., it happened again about two nights later, same thing about the same time and this went on for about two weeks.
7:49 - The problem was that my wife and I would be up every night waiting for it to happen.
7:54 - Right.
7:54 - We, we would be, we, we look forward to it.
7:57 - And so the nights that didn't happen, we'd be up to one o'clock, two o'clock.
8:00 - So finally one night I said, Matt buddy, you need to knock this off or at least do it before we go to bed, would you please?
8:06 - And they completely stopped, everything stopped.
8:10 - So, I was beside myself, I thought, oh my gosh, I've, I've ticked off, Matt, I've ticked off God, I've ticked off the universe.
8:18 - I didn't know what to do.
8:19 - And, they started again. I figured out another way to see them and, and the short story is that I now have thousands of these videos.
8:29 - I can look at them on purpose.
8:32 - I have a number of them on my website.
8:35 - And I'm an engineer, right?
8:36 - So I had to test them to make sure that they weren't dust, insects, spiders, whatever because I, I was critical of that.
8:45 - So I tried different cameras.
8:46 - I tried different phones.
8:47 - I wrote to Amazon Blink Engineers.
8:49 - They told me the spectrum of IR light that it uses all kinds of different Amazon blank cameras that worked for all of them.
8:58 - And that's, that's what really started my awakening if you will.
9:03 - To that there's something else going on that I was completely unaware of that.
9:08 - Now, as a, as an engineer, as a pragmatic type person, this was proof to me that I need to pay attention to something else that was going on and that's what, that's what started this whole business.
9:17 - And I started looking for explanations of this on the internet and with, with Gurus and I, I went to the church, the Catholic church.
9:27 - I, I can I tell that story real quick?
9:28 - Yeah, I was gonna, yeah, please.
9:31 - So, so I thought if God's involved in this, the church must know something about this, right?
9:37 - So, I have a friend who I trust, who I trust and he's Catholic and he said I know this priest at Catholic University in Washington DC.
9:46 - I contacted him, sent him the video.
9:48 - This was during the pandemic, right?
9:50 - This was maybe June of 2020.
9:53 - But he met me at the Dominican House of Studies on Catholic University Campus, beautiful ornate library.
10:00 - He's masked unmasked and I was looking for the key to life.
10:05 - And he says, look, I don't know what this is, but here's a copy of the Catholic catechism.
10:11 - So he hands me this book which is like this thick which I memorized a lot of it when I was a kid, but he had no, he had no answers, right?
10:19 - So then we went to Georgetown University.
10:22 - We knew a couple of priests at Georgetown Jesuits and they were visiting some place and we saw them that summer.
10:28 - maybe August walked on the boardwalk with them and I showed them the videos and I said, father, can you tell me what the heck, what, what is this?
10:37 - How should we react to this?
10:38 - So they huddled up for a little bit, two of them and they came back to my wife and I, and they said, you know, we, we have no clue what this is, but we know of this great exorcist that we can have come and clear your house.
10:50 - Wow, you're like, no, don't get rid of them.
10:53 - Exactly.
10:54 - We were like, no, we, we look forward to this.
10:56 - This is, this is our son.
10:58 - So anyway, the church, unfortunately, and not surprisingly had no answers for that, but that's what started the whole thing.
11:06 - So thank you.
11:07 - Wow, thank you for sharing what a story and what a horrible thing that no one should ever go through.
11:15 - And I appreciate your just openness about it.
11:17 - So you never saw the Orban person though.
11:20 - It was always on the recording.
11:22 - It's always, well, it's a good question that the the orbs are always were always on my, on my phone, right?
11:31 - So that the Amazon blink app is on the phone and it uses infrared light to, to see.
11:38 - So everything is in shades of gray.
11:40 - So in my research on the internet, I've run across a number of people that have beautiful websites about orbs and orbs are real and beautiful pictures of orbs sometimes with faces in them.
11:52 - Right?
11:52 - Mine are always moving all over the place blinking sometimes giving me high five sometimes coming right out of my palm.
12:00 - That surprised me, by the way.
12:02 - I mean, there's no rules, I guess for how the orb can give you a high five.
12:07 - Right?
12:07 - So when I did this, sometimes it would, they hit my hand but then a couple of times they just came right out of my palm which like it was surprised me, surprise me.
12:18 - So they, they do have a playful sense but I can only see them with the phone and then I ran into a lady up in Canada that sees them with her phone, she records them.
12:29 - And so I've been recording lately testing here in the house and I have seen them without the Amazon blank camera.
12:36 - I have seen them with just my iphone, but the, the light needs to be on.
12:42 - I don't know what, how the light activates them.
12:45 - But anyway, I can see them occasionally without the blink cameras.
12:51 - So, so you, your phone would ping, you'd rush down there.
12:55 - It would still be recording and you'd be holding your hand up and then later you'd see that it touched you.
13:01 - Well,, no, I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.
13:04 - That that's kind of how it could work.
13:06 - But once I, once I realized it was pinging initially to let me know that it was reacting to light and motion, then I realized purely by accident after they stopped that one time you have to turn the cameras on at night, right.
13:20 - Otherwise you left the dining room camera on during the day.
13:23 - It would always alert when you walk past it.
13:25 - So I turned them on at night and I, I realized by accident if I hit live view, I could see live through the camera and the orbs were there.
13:34 - So then I thought what would happen if we walked into the room while the orbs were in there?
13:39 - And we tried that my wife and I sat at the dining room table, went alive and sure enough, they were all around us.
13:46 - We have, we have videos of hundreds of orbs around us sometimes avoiding my head.
13:53 - Yeah, so they, and then to make it more fun, they travel with us so that they're not here.
14:02 - They're not in the house when we're not here.
14:04 - That's pretty cool.
14:08 - Rule if you will, there's certain rules that the orbs follow that.
14:11 - I've come to discover as, as an engineer.
14:13 - I've tested all this.
14:15 - You can look like if you, if you have security cameras in your house, you can look at them through your phone right when you're not home and you can see your house or your baby or whatever.
14:24 - I was showing some friends the orbs in late 2020.
14:28 - And I said, let me show you the camera that, that usually sees these orbs and it was night time I put the camera on, there was nothing there and I was really disappointed but there, there was no, no orbs anywhere in the house.
14:39 - Ok.
14:40 - Fine.
14:41 - Then we're in Florida.
14:42 - We spent January of 2021.
14:45 - We, we spent a couple of months in Florida and we had some people come in and water our plants and the phone pinged one day and I looked at it and I looked at the video and there are orbs in the kitchen.
14:57 - I said dog on it.
14:59 - There goes my whole theory, you know, there's orbs in the house and we're not there.
15:02 - And then the other camera thing that my neighbors were in the house, watering the plants and my first thought was jealousy.
15:11 - You know, those are my orbs.
15:15 - I've come to believe we all have our own spirits obviously that are with us or that are around us.
15:21 - These orbs appeared with my neighbors and it has happened since there's a couple of ladies that come and clean the house.
15:27 - If I leave the camera on, usually by accident, it'll ping and the oddly enough, one of the ladies has orbs around her, the other lady does not, I don't know why.
15:36 - But but anyway, they, they, those are kind of the kind of some of the rules.
15:42 - They, they're never around when there's no people.
15:45 - They travel with us. If I take the little camera with me, even on my motorcycle trips and set it up.
15:50 - Orbs have no ego, right?
15:52 - They show up in motel six, they show up at a Marriott resort, they show up whenever I ask for them, they appear.
15:59 - So that's been kind of cool.
16:02 - All right. So if we all have our own orbs and you have multiple, what do you think they are?
16:09 - Do you think they're your spirit guides?
16:11 - Do you think they're Matt and his friends?
16:13 - What I think they're Matt and his friends?
16:17 - Ok.
16:18 - But I've become less focused on trying to figure out what they are and more aware that they were designed to wake me up to do what I'm doing.
16:28 - Right.
16:29 - So initially I was spending a lot of time.
16:30 - What are these?
16:31 - Why are these, who are these now?
16:33 - I don't care anymore.
16:35 - I'm, I'm focused more on bigger things like the soul picture and the soul journey and reincarnation and manifest all, all the wonderful things that, that you and I both believe in.
16:46 - But it was the orbs that woke me up.
16:48 - I love that.
16:49 - I love that so much.
16:51 - Yours have personality too, which is kind of interesting.
16:54 - So sometimes they, they just glide, they're beautiful and slow and they blank.
16:58 - Sometimes they're peeing all over the place.
17:01 - One thing that happened one time which again surprised me.
17:05 - We have a camera.
17:06 - It seems odd, I guess in the house because there's a camera in the different bedrooms.
17:10 - But that's where they appear.
17:12 - And the Children, when they were like five and seven, they saw the camera in the bedroom and once they realized what it was, they asked me what it was.
17:21 - And I said that's just a camera it's a video camera they wanted to perform for it.
17:26 - So I said, ok, go upstairs, you can perform for the camera.
17:29 - So they were upstairs, they were bounced around the bed and making goofy faces and fall on the floor, came downstairs to watch themselves and the orbs appeared around them and the orbs appeared to have the same joyful energy that the Children had.
17:45 - They were, they were going in circles and they were flying around and they reflected the energy of the Children.
17:51 - And,, that, that really surprised me.
17:54 - So II, I think that there's way more to it than I understand, but I do believe that they are some type of spirit energy related to our loved ones and relatives.
18:07 - It makes you wonder if Children have other Children spirits that come keep them company or play with them or look out for them that have that youthful joyful energy.
18:20 - I love that.
18:21 - That's really cool.
18:23 - That could be.
18:24 - I, I haven't seen it with pets.
18:26 - I think pets probably have their own orbs.
18:29 - I, I did babysit my, my son, other son's dog over New Year last year and they were all in their kitchen.
18:38 - I took one of the cameras with me and the orbs were all there, but I don't know if they were there for me or for Ozzie is his name?
18:44 - II, I think, I don't know whether they were dog orbs or my orbs but there were a lot of orbs there with us so well, dogs seem to be pretty advanced spiritual beings.
18:53 - So I bet they have some sort of guide with them.
18:56 - I did, I did test it to where I stayed downstairs and let Ozzie wander around upstairs and there were a couple herbs with him up there.
19:03 - So II I tend to believe the same thing.
19:07 - So, on your quest for knowledge, since this has all happened, has there been anything that you found that has really struck you that like this feels like the truth like you have that, that soulful feeling about it.
19:22 - There was an episode with a medium.
19:25 - The first thing we did was we went to mediums, right?
19:27 - Because we wanted to establish contact with our son and I had no clue what that was gonna be like or whether it would work or whether he'd show up or, and we went to a couple mediums, but one episode in particular that happened and this was just me, I just did this initially, we did it together, but I, I did a couple by myself and, and first of all, there's no difference in terms of intensity with whether or not the mediums in the room with you or whether he or she is doing it like, like we're doing this, right?
20:00 - So I did a session with a, a lady in the New Jersey like this and the way mediums work and, and you probably know all this, but they have different gifts, right?
20:11 - Clara A and Claire Sentia and Claire, this, this lady was could both see and feel.
20:17 - And she started to describe to me this can be a bit difficult.
20:22 - She started to describe to me, she said, I'm feeling these, this feelings of on my eyes and my eyebrows and my my forehead and she was just describing it to me, but she didn't know what she was feeling and I knew I knew right away what she was describing.
20:39 - And that's how I touched my son's face as he died.
20:42 - And,, when he was a little boy, you know, four or five years old, I would try and put him to sleep, you know, by rubbing his, his eyebrows and his, his eyes and those kind of things.
20:55 - And,, and so when he was, when he was dying,, my wife and I had agreed to disconnect his,, life support system and, and take him off life support and,, he lasted about 15 minutes.
21:12 - but during that period, that's how I touched his face.
21:15 - And when she told me that I knew exactly what she was describing to me and it, it erased any question in my mind about whether or not he was there or whether it was possible to communicate with our deceased loved ones.
21:33 - No one, no one could have, could have known that.
21:37 - And anyway, that, that was probably the most impactful thing that, that I experienced.
21:44 - Wow, you're, you're like making me tear up over here.
21:48 - That's, that's really powerful.
21:52 - And, and what an incredible, what an incredible piece of proof too that he was really there with you.
22:01 - Yeah, I'll tell you something funny about him if you don't mind because I don't wanna leave, leave you with all the sorrowful part.
22:06 - Matt had a great sense of humor and with another medium, he's the one that told me to write the book, right?
22:12 - So she's talking to me and she goes, he's here.
22:15 - He wants you to write, write a book and he wants you to, to reach people that would not other but wise be reached who have this mindset of, of left brain type.
22:26 - similar to me.
22:28 - I said, OK, great.
22:29 - And she goes, he's also shown me some past lives that you guys had together.
22:33 - I said, cool.
22:35 - He said, she described, she didn't know what she was describing either, but she described Teddy Roosevelt with the turned up hat and the Monocle and the rough riders.
22:44 - And so I said, that's Teddy Roosevelt, the rough rider.
22:48 - She goes, yes, he goes, you weren't father and son then.
22:50 - But he's showing me that you guys were together with Teddy Roosevelt.
22:54 - I said, OK, that's cool.
22:55 - And then she said, and you also were a soldier with him with George Washington in the revolutionary war.
23:01 - And so she described that a little bit.
23:03 - I thought that was cool.
23:04 - And then she started laughing and she said he showed me something just to show proof to you that souls are don't have sex.
23:13 - And, and, and she goes, you are, this is like 15th century Spain and you're a flamingo dancer in a red dress and he's hot for you.
23:25 - So, that was the last little life that he shared with me through her.
23:31 - So, he does have a sense of humor for sure.
23:34 - That's awesome.
23:35 - You definitely need to get a qhht session.
23:37 - We were just talking about that before we started recording.
23:41 - So how do you, do you have any different view of your son's passing now than you did in 2020?
23:49 - Do you like with all that you've been through all that you've seen all that you've learned?
23:54 - Is there any different perspective to it?
23:57 - Undoubtedly for sure.
23:59 - I mean, part of what I wanna do now is help people that are dealing with the loss of loved ones.
24:03 - The pain never goes away.
24:05 - The missing never goes away.
24:06 - Right?
24:06 - But he's told me a number of times that he would, he did what he came here to do his, his mission.
24:15 - I in this life was fulfilled and it was his time to leave and it, it gives me much comfort to know that he's not suffering.
24:25 - he appeared to suffer terribly before he died.
24:29 - But he, he said something about like that was just a blink of an eye and, and, and now where he is, he's happy.
24:38 - So yes, I'm, I'm very much comforted by what I've come to learn and understand in terms of his passing.
24:44 - I'm sure he's with us.
24:46 - He's made comments about things that he's seen happen.
24:50 - One of the mediums we went to initially the, the lady again describing to us didn't know what she was saying.
24:56 - But she said, can she said to my wife, can you hear your son?
25:00 - And she said no.
25:03 - And she turned to me and she said, can you hear your son?
25:04 - This was in person.
25:06 - I said, no, she goes, he's pointing to his ears for some reason.
25:10 - He's trying to explain to me something about your ears.
25:13 - And then it dawned on me after she was just about to say, forget it because what they usually do is they, if you can't confirm it, they go to something else.
25:22 - She excuse me.
25:23 - She said, I said, my wife just got hearing aids and you couldn't see them.
25:28 - They were so tiny and she had long hair, right?
25:30 - So they were underneath her ears and she said, oh, he's jumping up and down.
25:35 - That's what he's doing.
25:36 - He's he's trying to confirm for you that he's he knows you got hearing aids.
25:39 - And so it confirmed for me that he still participates in our life that he's still aware of what's going on.
25:48 - And that was also very comforting.
25:52 - That's really, really awesome.
25:54 - So, do you think, do you think that when people die, they go on to live another life or do you think they hang out and wait for their loved ones to cross over or?
26:06 - You know, what do you, what do you think he's doing?
26:10 - Well?
26:10 - He's told me what he's doing.
26:11 - I had a session with,, it's funny about mediums and what I've come to learn is that in some ways you get what you pay for.
26:21 - But in other ways, in other way, I wanted to taste what, what Caviar was like.
26:25 - Right.
26:25 - So I, I had a session with Rebecca Rosen who is like the medium to the stars, right?
26:30 - And she is truly a, a gifted lady, but II, I couldn't afford it like 1500 bucks for an hour.
26:39 - Right?
26:39 - So I couldn't afford that.
26:40 - But she does a session where you do eight people.
26:43 - And so we're in this session and she hadn't gotten to me yet.
26:47 - She's with one of the other eight people and suddenly she stops.
26:49 - She says, who's Matt?
26:51 - And I was afraid to put my hand up because I did, I didn't even know how to act in this kind of group thing and she get, nobody raised their hand.
26:59 - So she said, there's somebody here named Matt and who, who's Matt?
27:03 - I, I said,, I have a son named Matt.
27:06 - She goes, well, he's here with this other gentleman's daughter and she had taken her own life and she was about Matt's age and she's, and so she eventually told us that they were in school together, they were going through a life review together in spirit.
27:21 - And that, that's, it wasn't by accident that this other gentleman, Jim and I were in the same group because our, our Children were together and going through a life review.
27:33 - So I, I think Matt's gone through that for sure.
27:36 - The life review part.
27:39 - I used to bother me that maybe he wouldn't be around when I died, right?
27:43 - Because he might have recycled and come back.
27:45 - But I now believe in the concept of a an Uber soul if you will.
27:50 - So, so even if that person at soul does return to this life or any other dimension that the Uber soul part of that soul is still waiting for me and I'll, I'll reconnect with that.
28:07 - All my loved ones when I, when I die.
28:10 - Yeah, that's what I believe too.
28:13 - And how beautiful that him and that girl were in school together and, and you and Jim were right there in the room about that, please.
28:22 - If you have time.
28:23 - Oh my gosh, I could talk to you all day.
28:25 - Keep, keep going.
28:27 - So I tried to develop a practice where I would meditate and connect with Matt, right?
28:32 - And, and I, I read a number of different books where the gentleman journals and writes down things.
28:39 - The one of the first books I read was My Search For Christopher.
28:42 - On the other side, I can't remember the author's name, but he journals early in the morning with his son.
28:47 - And so I started doing that.
28:49 - So this other gentleman in the class named Jim was terribly, terribly, still suffering with the loss of his daughter, the one that was with my son.
28:58 - And so I, after it was over, I contacted Rebecca Rosen's secretary and I said, I, I know you probably can't share with me his address.
29:06 - But can you just let him know that I'm willing to talk to him and share with him what I've learned because I was about six months ahead of him in terms of the passing.
29:15 - And she said, oh, here's his email, you know, you can, you can have it.
29:17 - So I said, great.
29:18 - So I sent Jim a long email and I sent him two or three videos of the orbs.
29:23 - So he would understand why I had changed.
29:27 - Anyway.
29:28 - He didn't respond to me.
29:29 - Nothing happened.
29:29 - So about two weeks passed, I thought that was odd.
29:33 - And I contacted the secretary again.
29:36 - I said, can you just confirm Jim's email?
29:38 - She did.
29:38 - She said, yes, it's him, whatever.
29:41 - So the next day I was talking to Matt and sometimes I don't know if you do this, but I struggle sometimes with what I hear whether it's really coming from someplace else or in my head.
29:51 - But I heard Matt say pretty clearly to me, don't worry, he has not yet seen your email.
29:58 - And so I wrote that down.
30:01 - So the next day I got an email from Jim and said, hey man, I'm really sorry, but went to spam and I just found your email.
30:10 - And so we, we connected and we, and we shared after that, but that was an example for me that I am actually able to communicate as poorly as I do it with, with my son.
30:24 - Absolutely.
30:27 - Yeah.
30:27 - And to the, to the point where you can even hear him.
30:31 - Have you have you come across the book, The Afterlife of Billy Fingers yet?
30:36 - I've heard of it, but I have not read it.
30:41 - You might wanna check it out.
30:42 - I think you'd like it.
30:43 - It's, it's one of the most beautiful books I've ever read.
30:49 - It's about a woman who, who also was not open to any of this kind of stuff and her, her kind of bad boy brother died, but he starts communicating with her in the afterlife and he's, as he's going through everything, he's, he's describing it all to her and the book is just her notes written down, but it's really, really beautiful and a lot of what you said kind of coincides with that as well.
31:15 - So, yeah.
31:17 - Yeah.
31:17 - Check it out.
31:18 - I think you'll like it.
31:19 - So did your wife also have the same kind of spiritual awakening.
31:24 - It sounds like she went to all the mediums with you.
31:26 - Like is she, is she on the same?
31:31 - No, she's not.
31:32 - she's not into it like I am for sure.
31:35 - My, my wife actually suffered an accident last August 3rd of 2022.
31:43 - So she's been in the hospital.
31:44 - She still is since then.
31:48 - And there have been a number of similarities and things that have happened.
31:51 - A lot of my podcasts are about what's been going on with her.
31:55 - I thought she was gonna not make it basically, she, she fell backwards and hit her head and was in a coma for two months.
32:04 - And we had a and, and the parallels are pretty amazing when she went to the hospital.
32:09 - They took her to emergency room.
32:10 - She was two doors down from where our son died in the same IC U and she didn't know, but I did.
32:17 - And then after she was putting a tracheostomy and a feeding tube and she was in a coma and they can't keep people like that in IC U forever.
32:28 - So after a month, we had to move her to a special hospital in Washington DC where she still is.
32:34 - And they got her off the track and everything, but she can't, she, she can't really move.
32:38 - But I thought she would, we had agreed to terminally wean her, I knew she didn't want to live that way, you know, when our son was in that condition and we decided to turn off his life support.
32:50 - We were, we were holding each other's hand and crying basically.
32:53 - And, but we said to each other, I, if I'm ever in this condition, I, I don't want to live this way.
32:57 - So I knew what she wanted.
33:00 - So I agreed to,, my son and I do agree to disconnect her.
33:05 - and two days before that was supposed to happen, I walked in the room and she's looking at me and,, she said,, she couldn't talk and she knew who I was for about, for about three weeks, but she was still an event in the tr and everything, but she's off of that now and mentally, she's pretty good, but she just can't,, she can't do anything but that, that's so her spirit journey.
33:32 - If you will to get back to what you asked me, she's not really on any spiritual journey at the moment.
33:37 - She's just trying to get better.
33:40 - So when I said I was seeing mediums by myself, that's why because she was, she was in the hospital and I continued to see mediums because I was continuing this journey.
33:51 - But that, that's what happened a lot of trauma for one person to go through in a very short period of time, Mike.
33:57 - I'm really sorry to hear about your wife and just for listeners, you said, this happened August 2022.
34:03 - It's September 2023 right now.
34:05 - So it's been over a year.
34:08 - Yes.
34:08 - so she woke up from a two month coma two days before you were gonna take her off life support and she didn't know who you were for three weeks.
34:20 - But now she's mentally with, I mean, that's, that's pretty rare and, and pretty amazing that she's mentally with it.
34:29 - So, what is it that's keeping her in the hospital that she's unable to like move or is she paralyzed?
34:36 - No, her body is atrophied to the point where she has to go through physical therapy to learn how to walk again and learn how to move again.
34:44 - And, and, and being in the hospital like that, she constantly has infections.
34:50 - So then she's being treated for that, then she regresses that, that's what she's going through.
34:56 - So,, you know, she, she's, she's well enough mentally to joke with me and, and, you know, so that, that, that's all good.
35:08 - I go see her every day.
35:09 - She's about, she's about an hour and a half from me.
35:12 - But, I, I go see her every day and, and she's, she's getting a little bit better every day.
35:17 - Wow.
35:18 - Speak, speaking of trauma though, Chris, really the whole spiritual journey that I've been on has really helped with all this.
35:24 - Right.
35:24 - That was my next question.
35:26 - It, it has because both of us have come to better understand and accept what happened with our son.
35:32 - So, you know, today something came up and she was thinking of him.
35:36 - This picture is right on the wall by her bed.
35:38 - She was crying a little bit about that about that.
35:40 - But generally we've accepted that that has happened and what has happened and that he's fine and happy where he is.
35:47 - And I've come to accept that whatever is going on with her is part of,, nothing happens by accident.
35:53 - And, and so whatever the universe is doing right now, but I'll tell you one thing I manifest or try to manifest like crazy.
36:01 - So there's a number of stories I told my different podcasts, simple silly things like manifesting a parking spot at the hospital, right when I first started listening to Mike Dooley and Esther Hicks and,, Sarah Bernhardt is her name.
36:16 - Anyway, all this manifesting stuff.
36:18 - I read the secret.
36:19 - I said I'll start with a parking spot and it was hard to find a parking spot near the door of the, of the hospital where she was initially.
36:26 - But every day that I would think about it before I got there.
36:30 - I was getting a stupid parking spot the one day that it didn't happen.
36:34 - I was driving there and I got to the parking lot and there was no parking spot.
36:37 - I thought, oh, well, this manifesting stuff is maybe for the birds, but it was pouring rain, right?
36:43 - I pulled into the parking garage and there's three spots near the door that are never available and one was there in the covered part of the parking lot available.
36:54 - So there you go.
36:56 - It was in the covered part of the garage.
36:59 - So anyway, little things like that.
37:00 - I try to manifest.
37:02 - I needed to see her doctor, her doctors would show up.
37:04 - I need to see a nurse, her nurse would show up.
37:07 - So every day I start my my day with a mantra and the mantra is no matter where I'm going, no matter what I'm doing.
37:14 - My prop, my dominant intention today is to see what I want to see and I try and set my intention for the day.
37:22 - I have you heard of segment intending?
37:25 - So Esther his talks a lot about segment intending.
37:27 - So I intend for this particular segment of my day, maybe driving to the hospital.
37:32 - I want to be a safe drive because it's on the beltway in DC.
37:36 - And so I want to be a safe drive.
37:38 - I wanna arrive at the hospital safely or the segment of the hospital.
37:42 - I want to see her doctor.
37:43 - One day I got on the elevator, he got on the elevator with me.
37:46 - I can never find the guy.
37:48 - I got the elevator, he gets on the elevator with me as we're going up to the floor.
37:51 - So I I use, I use Segment intending.
37:55 - Every day I use that mantra every day.
37:59 - So I pretty how I got in that topic, but that's such a powerful way to start the day by just imagining how you want your day to go, right?
38:08 - Because your, your mind, if you can train your mind to play it ahead of time and really see it and visualize it and feel it, then it's gonna happen.
38:20 - So has your, has your wife tried any of the visualization or the meditation and trying to imagine herself healing and healthy?
38:28 - And have you done any of that with her?
38:32 - No, she, she, no, she's not ready for that yet.
38:36 - I already that, no, because I think about Joe dispenser with what got him started was he, he, he had like a crazy spinal injury and he, he healed himself.
38:46 - So you never know what the, the power I've come to.
38:50 - I've come to believe that your calling on spirit does not have to be like you.
38:56 - And I see it like for, for my wife, she's very religious, right?
39:00 - She's also from a very strong Catholic family.
39:03 - She was a religious studies major and in case she went to Catholic college and so she prays a lot and that's her connection to spirit.
39:12 - So it's different from mine, but it's still connection to spirit.
39:16 - So I think that could be just as effective.
39:20 - Yeah.
39:20 - that's what she does.
39:22 - Absolutely.
39:23 - Yeah, I love that.
39:24 - And I think, I think you're right.
39:26 - I think we all call it different things.
39:28 - Some people call it prayer.
39:29 - Some people call it manifesting.
39:30 - Some people call it, you know, quantum physics.
39:33 - But it's all getting in touch with that, that higher realm.
39:38 - And that higher version of you.
39:40 - Have you ever given any thought to why prayer works sometimes and other times it doesn't like we prayed for our son and it didn't work whatever work means.
39:51 - I guess I pray for my wife and it did work.
39:54 - So I'd love to figure out how prayer works sometimes.
40:00 - No, I think, I think that we don't necessarily, we're, we're not necessarily able to consciously create for other people.
40:15 - I think that we are powerful creators in and of ourselves.
40:19 - And that only we can truly heal ourselves, only we can truly call things into our life.
40:30 - Because I, I've had a couple losses in the last couple of years as well.
40:34 - Like my dad just passed, I don't remember if we talked about that on your podcast or online because we just did a double recording.
40:40 - But I, I had the same thought too that I was journaling and I was doing all the things that I normally do that create magic in my life and have for decades and nothing worked.
40:52 - But it was, it was his own attitude, it was his own personality and it was his soul plan, right?
40:58 - You know, I believe that we create these big life moments how we're gonna be born, how we're gonna die and some big life circumstances along the way.
41:08 - So I think a lot of that is predecided already.
41:11 - You know, and, and I believe all that too and it leads me back to why pray in the first place if that's, if that's because I think, because I think that there's big life circumstances that are predetermined, but I think free will still exists.
41:28 - You know, I think that there's certain things we have to go through in order to that will give us the opportunity to learn and grow depending on what trajectory we take, what path we take, right?
41:38 - Those might change.
41:39 - But I think that we also get to create our own reality, right?
41:44 - It's, it's both happening simultaneously.
41:47 - And I don't know, I think the power of prayer is just as powerful as the power of law of attraction.
41:54 - I think it's one and the same really, right?
41:57 - You know, there's a little story if you can bear with me for just a second.
42:01 - Have you ever heard of Victor Frankl and Man Search For meaning that book?
42:06 - So Victor Frankel wrote this book, Man's Search For Meaning.
42:08 - He was a survivor of a concentration camp in World War Two.
42:12 - And it's a very interesting, it's a short book.
42:14 - First half of it is his concentration camp experience.
42:17 - And the second half is his experience as a psychiatrist in Vienna.
42:21- He was a psychiatrist and he was put in the concentration camp.
42:23 - But later he was teaching, he survived the camp, obviously, but he has a bunch of students and he takes them into a laboratory in Vienna.
42:33 - And they're all looking at this ape and this is in the 19 fifties and they were, the polio was just being cured at that time.
42:41 - And the way they were doing it in this lab where they were constantly injecting this poor ape with needles to test different serums and different things.
42:49 - And the ape was suffering terribly and Frankl said to his students, he said, do you think it's possible that this ape understands the bigger picture why he has to suffer for the for the cure for polio?
43:05 - And all the students agreed, there's no way that that ape could possibly comprehend what was going on or what his role was in the, in the bigger picture.
43:13 - And Frankel said that.
43:14 - So what makes you think that what your understanding is in this life provides you with an understanding of why you suffer here?
43:21 - Hm.
43:22 - And it really struck me because, you know, the suffering that I went through with our son, for example, I didn't understand why that was necessary.
43:31 - But I do believe now that there's a bigger picture that I just don't appreciate.
43:36 - I can't appreciate but that it exists.
43:40 - I love that that's really profound.
43:44 - You know, I think about it, I think about all of these lifetimes strung together, right?
43:48 - Where each one is just like a split second.
43:51 - It's like a blink of an eye, right?
43:53 - Kind of like your son said.
43:54 - And it's like our story doesn't start and end when we die in each lifetime, our story started the moment we were created and it ends the moment.
44:05 - I don't know.
44:05 - We go back to source, I don't know, but it almost feels like each lifetime is a chapter, right?
44:11 - And that's why I love.
44:12 - Qhht so much is because oftentimes things that are afflicting people in this lifetime, whether it's a disease or a phobia or a relationship issue or something can also can be explained by what happened in a past life.
44:28 - You know.
44:28 - So it's almost like our story is so much bigger than even just this lifetime that we see.
44:35 - And, you know, sometimes we have rest lives where those people you look at them and you're like, they have a charmed life, nothing.
44:43 - They've never gone through anything difficult things come easy to them.
44:47 - It's like they were born with a silver spoon, but you don't know what kind of lifetime they lived before this and before that, before that, like maybe they needed that rest.
44:55 - So I think, I think the story just extends so far that how could we even possibly know?
45:02 - But I, I don't know.
45:05 - I, I it just, it makes me just like reframe the suffering we're going through and I don't know if that's, I don't know if what I'm getting across is, is what I'm trying to get across.
45:14 - But I just think there's such a bigger grander scheme to it all.
45:20 - Chris, I understand completely.
45:21 - Well, I understand what you're trying, you're trying to say because I struggled with this a lot.
45:26 - I read a book, another book recently.
45:28 - It was about, I don't know if you ever heard of this, but there was a bunch of Polish officers murdered in the Kian Forest during World War Two.
45:36 - And by the Russians and their families were rounded up by the Russian called the NKVD then and sent to Siberia, hundreds of thousands of little kids and women perished in Siberia.
45:52 - And the stories of what they went through, they were just dropped off and left to die in the snow.
45:58 - And I wonder why would God permit Children like that?
46:03 - Two years old, four years old to just suffer and die.
46:08 - That scenario only makes sense when you frame it the way you just did that.
46:14 - This life is just one of the many lives that we live and, and those souls have a reason and a purpose to suffer like that, but they'll have other opportunities or other lives.
46:26 - So, Dolores Cannon and I know you're into Dolores two talks about how we come here because we want to experience everything and that we're not a co complete soul.
46:37 - We're actually a fraction of a soul and quantum physics backs this up too.
46:41 - So every time you have a choice to make, for example, your timeline branches and you go on to live out the choice you made.
46:49 - And there is another version of you that goes off on another timeline living that other choice.
46:54 - And then each time each of you have to make a choice, the timelines branch again.
46:57 - So there are just infinite number of timelines plays starring you as the lead actor and quantum physics backs this up with the many worlds theory, right?
47:05 - It says that the many worlds interpretation says that, you know, because the whole thing is like particles are waves, but they appear electrons are waves, but they appear as particles matter.
47:18 - So every other possible place that that particle can appear exists in another parallel reality in the same time and space as ours, right?
47:28 - Just laid on top.
47:29 - It's like a it's like a transparency, a different dimension laid on top of ours.
47:33 - And you know, Dolores whole idea is that we want to experience everything.
47:40 - So there are timelines of you who have, who are very similar to the life you're living right now.
47:45 - And then there's ones that are vastly vastly different.
47:48 - And you know, we maybe there's a timeline where you died as an infant, maybe there's a timeline where you live to be 100 years old, maybe there's a timeline where you're still with the first girl that you ever kissed.
47:59 - You know, maybe there's a timeline where we're Matt still here.
48:02 - I don't know.
48:03 - But we, we want to experience all these things, we're here to have experiences.
48:09 - And then the idea that Dolores talks about is once we, once we cross over, once all of these, these different versions of us cross over, it's kind of reconvened and we get to bring even more knowledge back to source and we get to have even more experience to draw from in the school.
48:25 - So, I don't know, I think about that a lot too that, you know, there's, you know, maybe you have so different parts of us are on all those different timelines.
48:35 - Yeah.
48:36 - And then, and then it gets even Trippi because the whole idea is that past lives are actually parallel lives, right?
48:43 - Because time itself is an illusion, right?
48:47
And, and it's this, it's part of this 3d construct that we've created this illusion of reality that we've created.
48:56
But there's really no time on the other side of the veil.
48:58
And you were talking about an oversoul.
49:00
I call it the higher self.
49:01
It's the same thing, but there's always that part of you that's on the other side of the veil that, that bigger part of you.
49:08
And that's the part that's connected to source and that's the part that's always there.
49:12
I don't know, it's, it's mind blowing to think about it all.
49:15
I love thinking about it all but to me, it helps me.
49:19
It has helped me.
49:22
I don't know, I don't know if it rationalizes the right word, but just kind of cope with the traumas that I've gone through or the difficulties that I've gone through or the losses that I've gone through.
49:34
Just what, what, what's the name for that concept of all the multiple choices being available or, or, or existing?
49:43
Is there a name for that concept?
49:45
Well, in quantum physics, it's the many worlds interpretation.
49:48
But the more spiritual aspect that Dolores talks about, I don't know if there is a name for it necessarily someone probably created a name.
49:55
The reason I'm asking is I, I interviewed a couple weeks ago and she said that exact same thing really.
50:02
She's only in her twenties, whatever, but she, she was conveying the same thing to me that there we constantly make decisions in branch and then all these lives were being lived simultaneously based upon what choices we make.
50:15
She didn't have a name for it either, but I'm just wondering what, what it's called.
50:19
Yeah.
50:20
Yeah.
50:20
I don't know.
50:21
Dolores writes about it.
50:22
I think she wrote about it in between death and life.
50:25
I think, I don't know, I've read a lot of her work but I don't know.
50:30
It's just, it makes me feel like like my problems aren't that big of a deal or the suffering that I'm going through is for a reason and it's not, it's not that big of a deal.
50:43
I don't know.
50:44
It just, it somehow puts things into perspective.
50:47
It just, it makes me feel like this lifetime is, is small and we don't need to take it so seriously.
50:55
And that is, I mean, there are, that is so much easier said than done.
50:59
But it has, it has done that for me it has that perspective shift has made it ok, that certain things have happened or certain things haven't happened.
51:09
Have you interviewed any near death experience?
51:11
People?
51:13
You know, I haven't reason I ask is because I, I interviewed a lady named Grace Gam who had an NDE and what you just said, triggered my memory of that.
51:26
She said exactly that that is while she was going through that experience and she did the whole tunnel thing, but it was all with colors.
51:33
She's an artist.
51:34
And so she saw colors and sounds that she had never experienced before.
51:38
But she said specifically that it became clear to her that this life was meaningless in terms of the big picture, whatever she was going through, whatever she was experiencing, whatever challenges she had meant nothing.
51:53
And so yes, I believe you're on to something when you say that, yeah, I've, I've gone down the rabbit hole reading about near death experiences and watching testimonials of them on youtube.
52:07
And it's, it's so fascinating because all these different people from all different beliefs and backgrounds and walks of life report such similar things when they're on the other side, you know, it's, it's, it's not only the, you know, they leave their body and they have this heightened awareness and they can hear and see things in other places and then they go through a tunnel and they go through the life review and they, you know what the, the, one of the, the best parts of all of them is that they are not judged for a single thing that they did during this life.
52:40 - It is just pure unconditional love.
52:43 - Even the worst people who have committed the worst offenses aren't judged because it was all a learning experience and you are just loved unconditionally like a father unconditionally loves their child.
52:54 - Yeah.
52:54 - Where do you think that justice comes into play on that?
52:58 - I meant to ask you this when we were talking on my interview, my podcast.
53:01 - But what, what do you tell a parent for example, whose child is murdered, say by some terrible act in this life and you tell them that the person that committed, that act is not gonna be judged when they die, not gonna be punished when they die.
53:18 - How does someone accept that?
53:21 - I think that's really tricky because I think that you are talking to and I don't mean this in any kind of negative or bad way.
53:30 - I think you are talking very much to that person's ego and by ego.
53:34 - I mean, Earth Guide only, right?
53:36 - You're talking to someone that has gone through something horrific that is here very much living in the reality of 3d earth.
53:45 - Right?
53:45 - And, and to in, in those kind of circumstances, people aren't ready to hear about the bigger picture.
53:52 - But you know, there was some really, there was a part in between Death and life by Dolores Cannon where she talks about Hitler.
53:58 - Do you remember that part?
53:59 - I know you said you read that book.
54:02 - Yeah.
54:02 - She was saying that he was totally forgiven and that it was all because of his father and his and he had to go to a resting place for a long time to just heal.
54:12 - And his father was the one that like really needed to I don't know, like go through some like extra schooling on the other side.
54:20 - So OK, so Alan Cohen is one of my favorite authors.
54:23 - I don't know if you've ever read any of his stuff.
54:25 - He wrote a course in miracles.
54:26 - Made easy.
54:27 - He, he like broke down a course in miracles.
54:29 - Have you read a course in miracles?
54:30 - No, but I still have notes from we talked weeks ago where I haven't written here.
54:34 - A course of miracles.
54:35 - Yeah. Yeah.
54:35 - You'd love it because it's, it's channeled from Jesus directly and people call it the Third Testament.
54:42 - So there's course in miracle study groups just like there's Bible study groups and he goes through the, the New Testament.
54:48 - And he's like, this is how this was misunderstood.
54:51 - This is what really, why wanted to, to take from the resurrection.
54:55 - This is, you know, and it's, it's really fascinating because, you know, the Bible was written by men sometimes, sometimes a long time after Jesus actually died.
55:05 - And it's interesting to hear it, you know, from Jesus himself, if we, if we believe that that's the case.
55:11 - But Alan Cohen wrote a course in miracles made easy.
55:14 - And it's like a really great intro to it.
55:16 - If you're, if you're curious or anyone listening is curious, it's phenomenal.
55:19 - But he has this story in there where he was at this seminar by this woman and she was talking about forgiveness and how important it is and, and this, this Jewish woman in the audience stood up and was like, I don't buy this forgiveness bullshit.
55:44 - You know, like I, how am I supposed to forgive someone like Hitler?
55:48 - And the woman up front was like, well, let me ask you a question.
55:54 - Imagine that you live next door to Hitler when he was a little boy, four or five year old boy.
56:00 - And you saw him every day and you saw his alcoholic father and you saw his mentally ill mother and you saw the abuse and the neglect.
56:13 - And let's say that if you show that little boy love it, like makes me tear up if you show that little boy love and just treated him well with kindness and just acted as this loving person in his life that you could change the trajectory of his future.
56:31 - Would you love that little boy?
56:34 - And she grew, I'm like such a sap.
56:36 - I'm like, I'm like, tearing up.
56:37 - She, she grew really quiet and she was like, yes I would.
56:40 - And then Alan was saying that after, after the whole conference, this old woman walked up to the speaker and she said, everything you said was absolutely true.
56:52 - And she gave her a hug and when she gave her a hug, he saw her sleeve come up and she had a holocaust tattoo on her.
56:58 - And, you know, I think that there is such power in forgiveness.
57:01 - And I, I actually have an entire chapter on this in my book about what's called, what about people who do bad things?
57:07 - How do we cope with the rapists and the murderers and all those people?
57:11 - And those people are coming from a place of deep pain and deep fear and they have a hole in their soul.
57:19 - You know, they, they have never known love.
57:22 - They, they have no self-confidence.
57:24 - They, they are just going, they are tormented and by showing them love and kindness and compassion, we could not only possibly help them heal, but maybe they have great gifts to bring to humanity.
57:38 - So, you know, II I don't, and I don't think that someone whose child was murdered by someone isn't ready to hear all that.
57:44 - But that's, that's kind of my bigger take on it.
57:47 - I, I think it impacts society too because if I was a father who had a child who was harmed or murdered by someone, one of the reasons I don't immediately try and take things into my own hand.
58:01 - It's because I, I believe that he's gonna face justice with God or Jesus or be in hell forever.
58:07 - If I, if I thought for a minute that there was no justice, at least according to my, the pain that I was feeling I would be more inclined to try and serve justice, you know, in this lifetime.
58:22 - So I think there's a real problem with that.
58:26 - I struggle with that.
58:27 - That, that's why I asked you iii I believe, like you said that, I don't believe there's a hell.
58:35 - But I, I do believe there's some type of life review or school or something that you go through to recover from whatever is you did bad in this lifetime.
58:47 - Yeah.
58:47 - And you know, it's, I've heard from reading and watching near Death experiencers that oftentimes part of that life review is feeling how you made all those other people feel.
58:59 - Yeah, I've heard that too.
59:01 - But you know, it, I, I understand what you're saying and I think the very human part of us is like, but there has to be justice, right?
59:10 - Something has to be done.
59:13 - But, but why, why can't there just be this world where we are just here to have experiences and knowing that we make mistakes and that we learn from everything we go through.
59:28 - And we, if we don't, if we, if we mess up, we repeat the lesson and we do it again until we get it right, until we learn to treat people with kindness, until we learn compassion, until we learn those things and then we move on.
59:42 - But at the end you're just met with unconditional love because it's all a learning, right?
59:48 - And it, it makes you take everything a little less seriously or maybe you have to take it a little less seriously in order to wrap your head around it.
59:56 - I don't know.
59:57 - I don't know.
59:57 - And I'm not saying like one way is right or one way is wrong.
1:00:00 - It's just, it's interesting to you must, you must live in California.
1:00:08 - No, I, I understand what you're saying.
1:00:11 - It's just, it's just hard and I'm, I've never been in that position.
1:00:14 - So II I don't know how we react.
1:00:19 - Yeah, there's another story on forgiveness that I read about in my book.
1:00:24 - this woman named Corey 10.
1:00:26 - Have you ever heard of her?
1:00:28 - No, she she was a Christian actually. But so she, her and her and her family got locked up in a Nazi concentration camp.
1:00:37 - I don't know why this keeps going back to the Nazis, but they got locked up in a Nazi concentration camp during World War two because they were hiding Jews in their home and helping them escape.
1:00:46 - They were Christian.
1:00:48 - Hm.
1:00:48 - And her father and her sister died in the camps.
1:00:52 - And when she got out, when the war ended, she set up recovery centers for survivors.
1:00:58 - And one day she was in town and she saw this Nazi Guard and it wasn't just any Nazi Guard.
1:01:04 - It was one who had been particularly very cruel to her sister and she confronted the man and he, he asked for her forgiveness and she gave it and she felt such a release from that forgiveness that she then spent the rest of her life, rest of her life traveling the world and teaching about the power of forgiveness and her whole thing is forgiveness sets you free.
1:01:28 - I don't know.
1:01:29 - It's like if there's people like that that can forgive and then go on to teach it because it was so profound for them.
1:01:38 - Yeah.
1:01:38 - Like I can, I can forgive a few jerks in my life.
1:01:42 - But, but I've also, you know, never gone through the, the experience of having a child.
1:01:49 - What's that?
1:01:50 - Have you been able to forgive?
1:01:51 - What happened to you?
1:01:53 - Oh Yeah.
1:01:54 - OK.
1:01:55 - Yeah.
1:01:55 - Yeah.
1:01:59 - Yeah.
1:02:00 - I mean, it took a long time and I think a lot of this, it's like it's easier said than done, right?
1:02:05 - It's for people who are in the storm.
1:02:10 - It's not easy.
1:02:11 - And I've actually, I had to forgive a group of people.
1:02:15 - I was actually a target of cancel culture in 2020 a whole community that I was a part of started spreading lies about me on social media and it was, it was, it was honestly very traumatic.
1:02:29 - and it took me a long time to forgive them as well.
1:02:33 - But I have, but it's easy to slip into anger, you know.
1:02:43 - Yes.
1:02:43 - this is a heavy conversation but I think it, I think it was such an important one and I really appreciate you sharing your story and your perspective.
1:02:56 - Is there any any message that you'd like to leave humanity with anyone listening to this main thing is that there's something else beyond what we can see with our five senses and sense, with our five senses.
1:03:12 - It's real.
1:03:12 - It exists.
1:03:14 - I always struggle with that even though I grew up Catholic and prayed to God.
1:03:18 - And for me, it took the orb experience to fully embrace that.
1:03:26 - And then what I found through, you know, psychics and mediums and being able to contact other people on the other side.
1:03:34 - So the main message that I would wanna get through people's heads, especially those that don't embrace any of this stuff, is there definitely is something else beyond this life?
1:03:47 - Yeah.
1:03:48 - Thank you so much.
1:03:49 - So how can people get in touch with you?
1:03:51 - How, where can they find you?
1:03:53 - What are your option?
1:03:54 - Thank you.
1:03:54 - Thank you very much.
1:03:55 - It's just Mike, Mikenicholas.com, that's my website.
1:03:59 - And, my book will be out by October.
1:04:04 - The Soul Unleashed is basically kind of a biography explaining how I became such a knucklehead early on and, how that changed.
1:04:12 - So, just Mike nicholas.com among other places, but all those links are on my website and the Soul unleashes your podcast.
1:04:21 - Yes, everyone go listen to Mike's podcast.
1:04:24 - It's amazing.
1:04:25 - He has so many incredible people on and again, what I just appreciate about you is you're just curious and you're so open minded and because, you know, we don't, we don't really know the answers.
1:04:37 - We know what, what we learn that feels right to us, but there's so much that we don't know and I just appreciate your inquisitiveness and your, your quest for knowledge.
1:04:49 - Oh, thank you.
1:04:50 - I appreciate that.
1:04:51 - I really enjoyed meeting you too and, and talking with you.
1:04:54 - So, and you'll be one of the really interesting people in my podcast too.
1:04:59 - Yeah, it was on Mike's today.
1:05:01 - All right.
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