0:00 Hi, everyone.
0:01 Welcome back to the Change Your Mind podcast.
0:03 I'm your host, Kris Ashley.
0:05 I'm super stoked for my guest today because he's actually one of my good friends.
0:09 We're going to talk all about functional medicine.
0:11 But first couple quick announcements, head down to the links in the show notes to check out my book, Change Your Mind to change your reality.
0:18 Check out my free workshop that I do about once a week.
0:21 Sometimes, a little less often of courses.
0:25 I have free giveaways on my website, lots of ways to get in touch with me.
0:29 And also this podcast is part of a podcast network owned by the Los Angeles Tribune.
0:34 So check out what we're doing.
0:36 We've got a lot of really cool stuff in the personal, personal development realm coming up.
0:41 Hi, I'm Kris.
0:43 When I was younger I went through trauma that caused me to feel broken and lost.
0:47 But my life changed after I had a spiritual awakening.
0:51 Since then, I've dedicated my life to studying and learning from masters all around the world that have helped me to create a life of fulfillment and abundance beyond my wildest dreams.
1:00 Now, I'm dedicated to sharing everything I've learned so that you don't have to suffer for decades.
1:05 Like I did, I've seen people's lives completely transform and I share it all right here.
1:12 So I am so excited to have Doctor Taylor Crick with me.
1:17 And it's funny because like I said, you're one of my best or you're my best friend's husband.
1:21 We'll just throw that out there.
1:22 So I'm not used to calling you doctor, but I'm going to read your bio.
1:24 So everyone knows,, a little bit more about you.
1:28 Ok.
1:28 So, Doctor Taylor is the host of the autoimmune Doc podcast and owner of the Washington Wellness Center, which is a functional Wellness clinic.
1:36 He works with patients locally as well as virtually all across the United States and the world, which is so cool because I live in California.
1:43 He lives in Illinois.
1:44 I call him up all the time.
1:46 He orders me labs.
1:47 We can jump on zoom.
1:48 It's super easy to see him across the country.
1:51 , so he received his doctorate from Palmer College of Chiropractic.
1:56 He was a chiropractor for a while I think, still practicing a little bit.
2:00 I mean, yeah, that's what my doctorate is.
2:01 But I don't do any adjustments.
2:03 Ok.
2:04 Well, unless, unless your friends force you to.
2:06 Right.
2:06 Exactly.
2:07 Yeah.
2:07 I mean, my, my, my parents ask me all the time, my wife, my kids and I don't do, I don't do zero, but it's just not part of my business.
2:15 Yeah.
2:15 Ok.
2:15 Well, well, it's still your credentials, so it's cool to get.
2:18 It's good to mention for sure.
2:20 Ok.
2:20 So after graduating from Palmer Dr Taylor and his wife, Jamie moved to Salt Lake City to open their first Wellness clinic, which was a line Utah.
2:28 And during the almost six years, he owned a line, he provided care for professional skiers national championship weightlifter and helped thousands of people take control of their health, including patients losing hundreds of pounds off dozens of medications, reversing chronic diseases, like diabetes, chronic fatigue system syndrome, heart failure, thyroid disease, so much more.
2:50 And then eventually they ended up moving home to Illinois.
2:53 He opened the Washington Wellness Center and they've just been helping people all around the country since.
3:00 So welcome Taylor.
3:01 Thank you, Kris.
3:03 Thanks for, thanks for having me.
3:05 Yeah, it's, it's fun and I've said this to you and our other friends so many times, but it's been so amazing to watch.
3:13 My friends grow on these parallel trees to my own, right?
3:18 Like all of us in our friends group have pursued helping people in some aspects, right?
3:25 Some of our friends are therapists.
3:26 You're doing the functional medicine thing.
3:28 I'm doing the coaching thing and the yoga thing.
3:29 And it's like we're all, I don't know, it's just been so cool to watch us all grow in a similar way because it's so easy to watch friends grow apart.
3:37 Right.
3:38 Yeah.
3:38 Yeah.
3:38 It's super, super been super fun.
3:40 Yeah.
3:41 And I'm so proud of you and all that you're doing there.
3:43 So I love to start off my shows with asking what people's origin stories are.
3:48 And you know, like I just told people you started off doing chiropractic pivoted to functional medicine.
3:54 I I'd love to hear what, what that journey was like for you.
3:58 What made you want to go down this path?
3:59 Sure.
4:00 So let me back up before that, that like there's no reason why I went to chiropractor school.
4:05 My best friend was going and and his uncles were chiropractors.
4:09 So he want, he wanted to be a chiropractor since he was like a little kid.
4:12 But for me, I had never been to a chiropractor, never been adjusted.
4:15 But my, my, my, my undergrad was in exercise physiology and sports medicine.
4:21 So it kind of matched up and I was looking for, what am I going to do next?
4:23 And he said you should consider a chiropractic.
4:25 So I consider that a Godsend that I just like had no, no real draw to that.
4:30 It was just like, yeah, I'll go and I remember I went and shadowed one chiropractor was like my grandma's chiropractor and she was like, you know, 80 at the time probably.
4:40 And he saw like five people in a day and I was like, oh, this is what chiropractor is cool.
4:45 And it was nothing like my practice.
4:47 But then I opened my prac and so it chiropractic, the whole goal is to get sick people.
4:51 Well, you know, so you just think of like, hey, how can we get sick people?
4:55 Well?
4:55 And you learn a lot about like the failures of the medical system because, you know, there's a lot of like us and them and with chops because they've been really, you know, slandered by, by conventional medicine and things like that too.
5:06 But you learn about the downsides of what's out there for people.
5:10 And it's like, man, this is really sucking, like we are really bad.
5:13 Like statistically not opinion wise, statistically, we're really, really bad at getting sick people.
5:19 Well, in fact, it's almost non existent and then, and then there's like these alternative things that can be done.
5:25 So anyway, I opened up my first clinic and I was chiropractic, but I also did mindset.
5:31 There's five essentials.
5:32 It was mindset, nutrition, spine and nervous system, exercise and detox.
5:38 So it was like we were already fairly functionally minded of looking at all these areas and taking supplements and diet and exercise and things like that.
5:46 But as I evolved in practice, like the things that I don't know, keep, keep you up at night are the people that don't get well.
5:55 Yeah, you see, we've got, we still have a youtube channel full of testimonials of like all these crazy stories of healing.
6:02 But it's like the, those are cool.
6:03 So the people that don't get well, it's like, dang it like, why was I not able to help them or why is this person like coming into me?
6:09 And they're like, I've been to 15 specialists.
6:13 Nobody can help me blah, blah, blah.
6:16 And they're like, they're not asking me to necessarily help them.
6:19 They're just telling me their health history.
6:20 It's like, man, something's got to be able to help this person.
6:24 So you just start diving into that more.
6:26 And so honestly, I just started diving into that.
6:29 And I, before I even, you know, diagnosed myself or anything with my own journey, I became an, started becoming an expert on autoimmunity and just the immune system and immune system attacking yourself and just started really studying the crap out of that.
6:43 I mean, really my best thing that I've done is like, I study like a lot.
6:49 It's just like kind of my passion and not, not like my hobby and my passion also happens to be my profession.
6:55 So like in my free time, I'm listening to things about functional wellness.
6:58 I'm learning things.
6:59 I'll be skipping class in school to stay home and like listen to podcasts and stuff about this, this stuff and just, you know, taking seminars and all kinds of information and just start piecing that together and they start working with people, start running labs or putting them on protocols and just before you know, it, you know, I'll fast forward and now we're 12 years in and I've worked with thousands of people across the country across the globe.
7:22 And it's like, wow, now, I, I, I hate to ever say that I'm an expert because it's like, I always have a learning mentality and things like that.
7:29 I'm always learning from mentors and learning from other people and still going to, and attending a lot of seminars and now I'm starting to speak at them and stuff like that too.
7:36 But it's just like, just continues to evolve because it's crazy that like the education.
7:43 Yeah, this is the same for you.
7:44 Kris is a day for anybody but like first you gotta get the education that gives you at least a little bit of confidence to go out and try to help people.
7:51 But then helping people, gives you the education of help, being able to help more people and gives you the confidence of being able to help more people.
7:58 So a lot of the people that I see now, they're crazy, crazy complex and they've seen 15 people and so they're not asking me to be their primary care to run their MRI S on their brains or anything like that.
8:13 They're asking me for like, hey, what else can I do?
8:16 Because this doesn't seem like it's working for me and we're looking at things like toxins, we're looking at things like hidden infections, we're looking at things like autoimmunity,, and so on and so forth.
8:26 And then as part of that too, I've, I discovered autoimmune disease first.
8:30 I found it in my dad.
8:31 So I was running labs on my dad and he had Hashimotos and he feels fine.
8:35 My dad's 68 next week has not been to the doctor in like, 40 years has not taken the medication ever.
8:44 Has no complaints.
8:45 Doesn't get sick.
8:46 He's a dentist so he's exposed to tons of germs.
8:48 He's got a really strong immune system and it's just like, I, if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of guy.
8:53 And he's also really smart with his health too, but found it in my dad first and he was like, oh hashimoto, like, you know, I didn't really care that much, but then I found it in myself.
9:02 And my, and so, you know, just again, kind of pour fuel on this fire of autoimmune expertise is like, ok, I wanna learn everything about it for myself and for my patients.
9:14 And then that's really, and then I, and then, you know, I, my timeline is not exact here, of course, but at some point, I started a podcast called the Autoimmune Doc podcast.
9:23 And that started attracting autoimmune people from around the country and around the globe of like, hey, I've got this mystery autoimmune disease.
9:32 They've told me I have it.
9:34 But what in the heck do I do about it?
9:36 And so a lot of people, they've been to Neuro, they've been to Gastro, they've been to rheumatoid, they've been to endocrine, they've been to all these different specialists and things like that.
9:45 And then I just kind of help piece those things together of like here's what you can do.
9:49 Here's what's right, here's what's wrong, here's what these things tell us, ask your doctor for this et cetera.
9:54 So I don't replace their doctor.
9:56 I don't claim to or do any diagnosis or treatment.
9:58 I just lead people.
9:59 We were kind of talking about the soft air.
10:01 I just lead people to the things that are out there and available because even in today's world, there's like so much crap out there.
10:09 And I don't mean that in a negative way, I just mean, there's so much stuff and a lot of it is crap, but there's so much stuff that people are like a lot of it.
10:17 Let's say there's 20 good things out there.
10:18 There's 20 good diets, there's 50 good supplements.
10:21 How do you know what's right for you and your situation and your symptoms at the time and things like that.
10:27 So that's kind of what I do now is help guide people through their, their autoimmune or it's not always autoimmune their chronic and complex health conditions.
10:37 So I was just even mention to you, Kris said it like my patient before this or my client before this is he's 16.
10:45 He's got AAA genetic disorder.
10:47 He was bored with, it's a mitochondrial disorder.
10:49 He's got, he has seizures all the time and just all the complications that come with it and all the medical visits and diagnoses and things that come with that.
10:57 And they came to me because they're kind of intrigued about parasites.
11:00 And so I, and I'm not necessarily talking them out of that, but I'm like, ok, tell me why you think that and tell me what was leading you towards that and let me throw some things that I think about it.
11:11 And I'll tell you today too, we're going over his labs.
11:14 They showed a bunch of stuff, but they showed like some yeast and mold issues and the mom said she's like, ok, we went to a birthday party and it smelled moldy when we walked in and she's like my son reacted and we had to leave and she's like, I never noticed it before, but like he's definitely reactive to mold.
11:29 So we're just, we're just, we're just starting that conversation.
11:33 But I also, I saw three, I saw four people yesterday.
11:37 I saw six total, but I saw four yesterday that were doing awesome.
11:40 The other two just are, are just kind of newer.
11:42 But four people that are just doing awesome.
11:45 And three of them have done pretty serious mold remediation.
11:50 So I just, that's a major, major thing that I see.
11:53 And also while I'm rambling, I just uploaded.
11:56 My most recent podcast that I just uploaded is an interview with a pediatrician from Santa Barbara and we're talking about mold and kids and a DH D O CD, swollen tonsils, stomach pains, all those things.
12:09 So that's a major, major thing.
12:11 But that's what I help people walk through is whatever's whatever is a piece of their journey, whether it be mold or lime or heavy metals or, or pesticides or whatever else, gut health, et cetera.
12:22 But yeah.
12:25 Yeah.
12:25 No, thank you.
12:26 Thank you for giving your background and answering a few of my questions along the way.
12:31 And I have, I have so much to, I have so many questions based on things you said because you touched on so many important things that I want to expand on.
12:41 But I just, you know, first of all, as someone who like went through unexplained, infertility, I refuse to believe that things are unexplained for sure.
12:52 100%.
12:53 And I would say too,ris, you know, we briefly talked about this but the first place that you lived in San Francisco and your dog was having seizures like that place was moldy and I don't Yeah, exactly.
13:05 So, I don't even know.
13:05 I mean, you agree, but it's like you, you know, and I'm not saying absolutes but of course, just that sign or symptom points to that for me and it's just like, interesting.
13:14 , but probably even places before and stuff but, yeah, I completely agree that I, nothing is, is idiopathic, nothing is uncased.
13:23 And some of those things are a mystery but there's gotta be a reason there's got to be more explanation and how many people go to their doctor and they're like, we don't know.
13:32 Yeah.
13:32 Like, no, that just means that you don't know.
13:34 That doesn't mean that nobody knows.
13:36 And that doesn't mean that the answers aren't out there.
13:37 And that doesn't mean that science doesn't know either.
13:39 That just means that you don't know.
13:41 Doc.
13:41 Exactly.
13:42 And I think that that's where western medicine falls so short.
13:46 Like western medicine is amazing if you break your arm or, you know, like you have to go to the hospital.
13:51 But I've been, I've been hit by a car.
13:53 I've had a lot of lesser medical adversity that broken.
13:56 But also for listeners, Taylor is also like the extreme sports guy that's like doing, like, back flips down the ski hill and, like, like water skis too.
14:05 Very.
14:05 And I've very rarely gotten injured during those things.
14:07 But I've been, I got hit by a car on a bike and,, have had broken bones and different things like that.
14:13 So it's like, yeah, stitch me up, put me back together, save my life too.
14:16 If, if necessary.
14:18 But what about, if that's not necessary?
14:20 That's what we're, that's what we're horrible at.
14:22 Yeah.
14:23 And, and I love that you pointed out that you're constantly learning and you and I have that in common.
14:27 Like, I'm in my free time, I'm, I'm reading books and I'm listening to podcasts and I'm like, trying to further my knowledge in my own areas and I know you're the same way.
14:36 And I think that that's also where Western medicine doctors fall short because they learn what they learn in medical school.
14:42 They get like, zero nutrition, right?
14:44 Like zero training on the gut basic essentially.
14:47 And, and then, you know, there's so busy or they're so controlled by the system that the pharmaceutical companies own that they don't, they're not constantly learning all the things that it's all learning.
14:59 Yeah.
14:59 And they make 400 K a year and they're like, why do I, why would I switch?
15:03 You know, like, I, there's no motivation is my point of like, the be the best thing is medical doctors that get sick.
15:10 Then, then they got to go searching for the answers and they're like, holy crap.
15:14 Like, there's this whole world out there again.
15:16 My, my my interview with my pediatrician friend was interesting because he was like, hey, this wasn't on mold, wasn't on my radar.
15:22 10 years ago.
15:23 It all started with one patient who hadn't gotten well and I started working with this mentor and he's like, this is Textbook Mole.
15:30 And he's like, really I did that.
15:31 It wasn't even on my radar.
15:33 He's like, no, this is textbook mold and the person got well.
15:36 And so, like you see that once or twice, but if it happens in your own life, then you take it really, really seriously and you're like, searching for answers.
15:44 , so, yeah, I think that that is, I don't want to say it's the best thing, but it's like those, those docs are seeking answers of why are the sick not getting well.
15:53 And that's why just in general doctors are leaving the medical profession in droves because it's, it's control, their time is controlled.
16:01 Like you can't spend more than 10 minutes with the patient.
16:03 And like, how much are their prescriptions are?
16:05 Like, that's how they're measuring success.
16:07 Like how many people are you seeing?
16:08 How many prescriptions are you filling?
16:10 Not how many sick people are getting well.
16:12 It's not really results based.
16:14 It's, it's, it's a business and, and it's regulated in that way and the hospital directors and things like that, it's big business and hospitals go out of business all the time and all those things and it's, it's a, it's a failing business too, I would say.
16:27 But, anyway, it's also runs our world.
16:32 Ok.
16:32 So I want to take it a step back and for listeners who are like, totally lost, they're like, I don't know what functional medicine is.
16:40 I've never heard of that.
16:41 Can you just describe the difference between traditional Western medicine and functional medicine?
16:45 So, just give us like the, the bare bones definition so people can have like some baseline understanding.
16:51 Yeah.
16:52 And I'll keep going, I'm not gonna keep talking about this.
16:54 But again, I was talking about this pediatrician and he was like, I don't care what the diagnosis is when people come.
17:01 He's like I look more at systems, what's going on with their gut system, what's going on with their endocrine system, what's going on with their neurologic system?
17:10 The diagnosis is the basis of function of Western medicine.
17:15 Like you, if you have these conditions or these labs, it's like you get this diagnosis and then this diagnosis is treated with this medication and it's very algorithm based, but it's all about the diagnosis but the diagnosis is, is not who you are, you know, and it's just, it's just a word that's put on to describe your symptoms.
17:33 And so there's thousands now of different diagnostic codes and diagnoses that all basically say the same thing that the person's body is not functioning well.
17:41 But it, it and if we want to go look for root cause and look at these systems like, OK, why what's causing that?
17:46 And I would say that that is again, the functional medicine approach is it's like a growth minded approach of like how can I get better and why am I not getting better?
17:56 And I think that a lot of your listeners, I don't know, not even if they never heard a functional medicine.
18:02 The concept is probably not for them because people that listen to your podcasts are growth minded.
18:06 That's like the purpose of your podcast.
18:08 And so, and that's also too, with like my podcast.
18:12 Like the people that I attract are so great because they're not like the conventional people that are like pizza and ice cream and beard, their way into their problem.
18:22 They're like high level people that are seeking answers and they're like, I refuse to believe this.
18:27 I had two people yesterday that one has MS and one has a bunch of other I B D and inflammatory bowel disease.
18:33 And they were both like, I refuse to believe that this is my future.
18:36 I refuse to believe that this diagnosis is, I rebuke this diagnosis things they were saying.
18:41 I was like, yeah, that because that's because mindsets so important.
18:44 Right.
18:45 Exactly.
18:45 Exactly.
18:46 Exactly.
18:46 And it's like, hey, and how many other people are like, no, I can't do that because I have MS.
18:52 So it's like you become your diagnosis and it's like, it, it, I, I, I know MS people that could do anything.
19:00 And so you sometimes you could become that diagnosis and be like handicap by it or you can say no, I don't believe in that handicap.
19:08 What's wrong with me or why is my body demyelinating or why do I have lesions on my MRI or why do I have numbness or tingling or whatever the case is that you go and you look for the up upstream root causes.
19:19 And so I think that even going back to your original question that I didn't answer very clear, but functional medicine is like systems biology approach looking for root causes.
19:30 Yeah.
19:30 And I love and I feel like that's so important to highlight, right?
19:32 It's like treating the root cause versus treating the symptom.
19:36 Exactly.
19:36 And, and when you do that, when you do that, the symptoms go away.
19:40 So it's, it's, it's great, but we don't look for the symptoms.
19:45 In fact, I often draw this for you.
19:46 I do a ton of drawings for people and I'm very visual.
19:49 So I show a lot of studies and stuff, but we got short term middle term and long term goals.
19:53 And our long term goal is to get like maintenance.
19:55 You know, maybe you take a vitamin D and fish oil and things like that for the rest of your life.
19:59 But if you don't have any powder to put out, then great.
20:02 But the short term goals of the fires to put out and that's the symptoms.
20:06 The middle term goals are the root causes gut health, toxic burden, things like that.
20:11 And they're middle term goals because there's not gonna last forever.
20:14 You know, if you've got X number of toxins, the oxide, well, eventually that number is gonna come down or if you've got X number of candida or yeast or mold or things like that, eventually, that's gonna come down and we can treat and, and, and reduce those things.
20:28 So for a period of time, we're going to put some work in there and then you're gonna have fewer short term goals because you're gonna have less fires to put out and then you can get to the long term, which is just like smooth sail and maintenance.
20:39 Yeah, that makes sense.
20:41 So, obviously what you teach and what you treat like encompasses so much.
20:46 And, and you've kind of thrown out some words and I want to dive into all of them.
20:50 You've, you've talked about mold, you've talked about gut health, you've talked about toxic burden, you know, are there some like specific like four or five pillars of functional medicine that you work with and will help people get into a healthy state when you treat those things?
21:05 Yes.
21:06 So I don't, I mean, I have to think about the exact thing but gut health is a, that's like a foundational principle of all functional medicines like disease begins in the gut and look to the gut first.
21:19 And even like these books behind me, this, this is a textbook.
21:22 It's called Food Asso Associated autoimmunities.
21:25 And this is one the other one with the food going in the mouth.
21:28 It's called when food bites back and it's talking about food driving autoimmunity.
21:34 So I think that gut and it's not always foods either, but it's like foods and gut are the drivers of a lot of things.
21:41 So there's a couple just big picture saying that they say a gut on fire equals a brain on fire.
21:47 So even in anxiety, depression O CD, autism, those things, it's like, that's a foundational principles like gut, gut, gut, gut, gut and the literature and the research support that as well.
21:58 And so gut is often a starting place.
22:00 Now, gut health and toxins are basically the two foundational things to, to answer your question that they're like everything else kind of branches off a gut health and toxins.
22:11 But gut is also an important detox mechanism too.
22:15 So like I saw some of the day, she's 33 and she's a nurse and she has one or two bowel movements a week.
22:22 So it's like, guess what?
22:23 You're probably not detoxifying because you're not getting rid of those toxins.
22:28 They're staying in your body a long time.
22:29 So even if our, our our root cause is toxic exposure, the gut is an important start in place even for the detoxification.
22:39 And so that involves within that category, there's a million other subcategories, but it's like, do you have overgrowth of bacteria?
22:48 You have undergrowth of bacteria and you need probiotics.
22:51 Do we need to pull weeds in your gut?
22:53 Do we need to plant seeds in your gut?
22:56 Do we need to heal leaky gut or gut permeability?
22:59 Do you have Candida or yeast in your gut?
23:01 Very common.
23:02 Do you have parasites.
23:03 I mean, all those things are mega high on the radar for everybody.
23:07 And that's where lab testing comes in too of, like, instead of trying to take a machine gun approach, like you're bound to hit something.
23:15 But instead of that, we try to take a sniper approach and see like, ok, what are your labs show that you need?
23:20 And then we go and aim at that and then we can generally tell either by lab values or generally by the person's symptoms, we could tell if they're getting better.
23:28 But I'd say that the two are gut health and detox.
23:31 I would even say a lot of things that I see they might not be gut symptoms, might not be constipation, diarrhea, reflux, but still the gut is an important place to start.
23:41 Even when I see hormone imbalances, even if I see brain things, it's gut and toxins, gut and toxins, gut and toxins.
23:49 Airborne toxins, airborne toxins have immediate access right to the brain.
23:55 So if we're exposed to airborne toxins like molds or heavy metals or pesticides, especially or pollution, even in air pollution, the major concern is heavy metals, but there's particulates too, but they just have immediate access of the old factory and they're right to the brain and they jack up things like hormones or anxiety or fear sensing or temperature regulation or heart rate or whatever the case is.
24:19 But gut health and toxins are the foundations.
24:23 And that includes even, you know, pathogens and things like lime, it's not necessarily always in the gut, it's not necessarily as toxic, but maybe gut health.
24:31 But I also think that gut health and toxins is more foundational than pathogens like lime or Epstein Barr virus because gut health and toxins cause your body to not be able to fight those things.
24:43 So gut health and toxins.
24:45 So how does someone's gut become out of balance?
24:48 You mentioned a lot of things overgrowth, undergrowth, yeast parasites, all these things like does this all come from diet?
24:54 Like what, what, how do, how do we get but not all I mean, I would say life.
25:01 So life, yeah.
25:02 So that doesn't mean stop living of course.
25:04 But but life, you know, like meaning diet, stress taking, taking antibiotics in your past, you know, for me, I was on a lot of antibiotics growing up for other people.
25:16 It might have been a I was on birth control or I was on this antidepressant for a period of time or I ate a high sugar diet or I drink a lot of alcohol or again, those are all just life that are not necessary.
25:27 I'm not demonizing any one of those things, but life creeps up and the gut gets imbalance.
25:32 And I would say that even for my kids, just one of my focuses is just like, how do we keep their gut balanced?
25:39 And it's not again that they don't eat any Halloween candy or things like that.
25:43 They get, they, they were trying to minimize that.
25:45 And last night they actually, they traded in all their Halloween candies that's gonna go on there.
25:49 What we do is we trick them so they use it for their,, gingerbread houses.
25:55 So, like they get some Halloween candy for a week or two weeks and then they have to trade it all in and they get like very little anyway.
26:00 But the point is that I give my kids things like probiotics or things that kill things in their gut.
26:05 Or we do stool testing, we do lab testing to just say, hey, how do we keep your gut balanced?
26:09 Because it's one of those things that if it never gets off the rails then never that bad.
26:15 But if it gets way off the rails, then it's like, hey, when you gonna take, it's gonna take a lot of work to correct this.
26:21 But toxins, pesticides, tap water, you know, I'm not saying that's a, the sole cause, but there's toxins, there's hormones.
26:31 All those things or mold will jack up the microbiome for sure.
26:35 So all those things who will just disrupt the gut and then our, our microbiome, which is basically what's living in your gut or what's living in your body.
26:44 We're talking right now about the gut microbiome.
26:46 There's 10 pounds of bacteria in, in different things in your microbiome in your gut alone.
26:53 in our bodies, we've got more bacterial DNA in our bodies and we've got human DNA.
26:56 So we've got just so much interaction between ourselves and these bacteria that are literally in our body that it's just driving a lot of our hormonal balance, inflammatory balance, immune balance, all those things.
27:10 So it's just a really, really important foundational thing that science has discovered over the last, like, especially the last like 25 years or so.
27:19 That's crazy.
27:20 I didn't know there were 10 pounds of bacteria living inside of me.
27:23 That's wild.
27:24 Yeah.
27:25 So you, you briefly mentioned leaky gut too.
27:28 Can you explain what that is?
27:29 So and, and what causes it?
27:32 Well, life would be the answer because it's the same, the same things we just talked about.
27:36 But let's say those bacteria get imbalanced.
27:39 Those bacteria protect that gut barrier.
27:41 So your gut is a barrier, your, your body has barriers that are really, really important because they protect it from the outside world, right?
27:48 Like a like a fence around your yard or whatever it is.
27:52 But we want that barrier to be permeable, but we want it to be selectively permeable.
27:56 It's like your, your gate at your house, like you wanna let your friends in, but you don't want it to be like open to everybody or your front door.
28:03 You know, you might close your front door when you leave your house.
28:05 You don't want to be open all the time, but you still want to be able to use it and come in and out.
28:09 So that's the same with your gut.
28:10 We want the good stuff to get in vitamins, minerals and nutrients, but not the bad stuff.
28:15 When the gut gets inflamed, the gut is like all these cells and they're held together with tight by T and it's one cell layer.
28:22 So it's incredibly thin.
28:23 It's, it's a lot thinner than your skin.
28:25 Your skin is an average of seven cells thick, your gut, your thin gut lining, your epithelial lining is about one layer.
28:32 And you can also too leaky gut is very famous, but what's not as famous as leaky lung and leaky sinus.
28:39 And to me, I'm huge on those because they got airborne toxins.
28:42 But it's all the same.
28:43 So as those gut cells get more permeable, then things can get in there.
28:49 Everybody's gut is permeable to a degree.
28:52 So it's, they say, how do you know if you have a leaky gut if you have a vowel in your name?
28:56 But if your gut gets pathogenic pa pathologically permeable, then that's when we get problems, that's like leaving your front door open every time you leave, it's like, hey, so something's gonna happen, whether it's a burglar or it's like a, you know, mountain lion comes through your door or something, something bad is gonna happen.
29:14 So that's a leak.
29:15 You got So then things like undigested food particles and other toxins and other things like LP S which comes from bacterial cell walls.
29:25 It is very, very, very, very inflammatory, but they can get into the bloodstream and drive an immune response and inflammation.
29:34 And that's considered the gateway to autoimmune diseases like Hashimotos or MS or R A.
29:41 So that's kind of leaking back upstream of, let's say somebody comes in with MS or R A or Hashimotos.
29:46 We say, well, you probably have a leaky go because it's the gateway to that.
29:49 So we gotta look your gut but long term like what caused that?
29:54 Well, some dy biosis of the microbiome is associated with that leaky gut and driving your inflammatory autoimmune process.
30:02 So looking at all of those pieces and kind of working our way backwards is our goal, even if the short term, middle term and longer term goals.
30:10 but that's more leaky gut or intestinal permeability.
30:14 So does all autoimmune disease essentially come from the same thing which is inflammation from this and, and what makes one person develop?
30:23 MS versus one person develop Hashimotos.
30:27 Genetics are certainly involve gene genetics plus environment.
30:32 You know, if you are exposed to a bunch of airborne toxins, you're more likely to have brain issues than, than thyroid issues.
30:39 But mold can drive whole but largely genetics, I would say.
30:44 so there certainly are genetic components to autoimmune diseases and autoimmunity.
30:48 But if you put somebody with good genes in a bad environment, they're gonna develop problems and you put somebody with bad genes in a good environment, they might not develop problems.
30:56 So the environment trumps the genetics.
30:58 But as opposed, like, why would one person develop one thing and another person develop another?
31:03 It's, it's, it's probably a lot of maybe more genetics than the environment.
31:07 But it's a combo of those two things.
31:09 Now, what was your first question?
31:11 There's another question that you asked.
31:13 Do you remember this all autoimmunity come from essentially the same thing?
31:18 Yes, but it comes from immune disruption.
31:21 So like you could get a flu shot and develop autoimmunity.
31:24 You get a flu, you get an influenza and develop autoimmunity.
31:27 So like something came in, disrupted your immune system and then it never resolved, the inflammation never resolved and then, and then your body begins to damage itself or begins to recognize itself as bad.
31:41 So it doesn't all start exclusively from leaky got, but in general, that's a widely accepted thing that all auto community has that as a component.
31:52 But sometimes it might be a different straw that broke the camel's back.
31:55 Like man, I went and traveled to China and ate, ate, you know, undercooked pork or something and got really sick.
32:02 And I've never been the same since I went and stayed in my cousin's moldy house for a month.
32:07 And like now I have autoimmunity five years later or so there could be different instigating triggers.
32:13 But there's all these things as far as variables, there's really five big variables for autoimmunity.
32:19 It's foods and gut health toxins, stress, which I don't stress alone won't cause it.
32:28 But stress with these other things for sure will make everything worse, hormone fluctuations.
32:34 So, puberty, pregnancy, perimenopause very common times for things to flare and hidden infections.
32:44 So like Epstein barr virus, lyme, other viral things cytomegalovirus.
32:48 But generally, even to me, we all have this, this this pathogen burden.
32:53 So, you know, you were shocked about the 10 pounds of bacteria, we have 400 trillion viruses in our body.
33:00 So, you know, and COVID was so wildly, of course, popular and famous and stuff like that and it was obviously super bad jacking people up, but there's 400 trillion viruses.
33:08 They're like, let's worry about a lot of these others or let's say that somebody's got a high viral load.
33:13 I'm not worried about one or the other because we get hyper focus on like I've never seen vir virus.
33:18 So I have said Omega virus, it's like that's important.
33:22 But why, why are they reactivating?
33:25 Or if somebody is getting cold sores, why is that reactivating?
33:28 What's allowing that to reactivate?
33:29 Because many people have a high viral load, they're not always reactivating.
33:35 especially with those herpetic viruses that lay dormant sometimes for years and they reactivate with shingles or herpes or things like that cold source but it's like, why is that reactivating more than why do I have this?
33:49 Why is it reactivated?
33:51 That makes sense.
33:52 And, and in that case, it's like, I could totally see how stress would be a player.
33:55 Exactly.
33:56 100 percent everything up.
33:58 Exactly.
33:58 And shuts down the immune, immune function and all the things with that.
34:02 But, yeah.
34:02 Yeah, it's interesting you brought up COVID and I know, I mean, I can think of off the top of my head.
34:07 Three people really close to me who COVID blew up things that, like, they didn't even know they had, like, just getting like lime.
34:16 I knew, I know someone who had dormant lime and she had no idea.
34:20 She had it probably for decades and she's just been suffering tremendously for three years now because COVID just blew it up and I would say too and not to say anything about her case or anything.
34:31 But even with what you just said about the three years something's missing and I would bet you a million dollars is mold.
34:37 But obviously I'm biased to mold.
34:39 I think everyone's got that point.
34:40 But I see people that have spent a ton of time and a ton of money in the lime world and I'm like, show me the mold or most long.
34:47 I see a ton of long COVID.
34:48 So I, I see a ton of, I just spoke at a seminar in Denver last month on long COVID.
34:54 It's one of my expertise is so I see a ton of it but I, and again, not too, sometimes on a podcast, you know, you say things more loosely to say, but I'm not that biased with it, but it's in, in nine out of 10 people.
35:07 It's like there's mold, it's, it's so unbelievably common and COVID is the thing that came and jack them up for sure.
35:14 But people ask me all the time, they're like, what caused this and like mold, piled up the logs and poured a bunch of gas on them.
35:22 COVID came and dropped a match on it and now it's like, boom.
35:24 Now you got a fire but it's like it's not one or the other because people get so hyper focused on COVID and they join all these long COVID groups and become COVID victims and all the things when it's like, no, no, no, you had this pre existing and just nobody's ever pointed that out to you.
35:38 But when you sit down for 90 minutes, we talk through somebody's history, we talk through the labs are like, oh you had all this stuff.
35:43 You had all this stuff building beforehand, you had histamine issues, you had autoimmune issues, you had environmental exposure, you just didn't know it yet.
35:50 But COVID is also known as the autoimmune virus so that it, it, it triggers a ton of autoimmunity and it's COVID, it's wild COVID, it's COVID vaccines, it does not matter.
36:02 I see 5050 both ways but they both can jack up the immune system and mitochondria and cause things to, like you said, reactivate and reawaken.
36:12 But if someone's not getting better, I, that's like, lower my head goes.
36:16 It's like, oh, I got some questions about that.
36:18 But, yeah.
36:19 Yeah.
36:19 Yeah, totally.
36:20 And that's, that's all super fascinating and it makes sense.
36:23 And I like the, the log and the gasoline and the fire analogy.
36:26 And I think it's important that you said the vaccines too.
36:29 Like, I'm thinking, I don't, you know, hipaa violations.
36:31 I don't want to, like, talk too much about, like, specific cases, but like, one of Shane, one of my husband's best friends started seeing you and he, he hasn't been able to leave his town and, like, go to higher elevation and, and by the way, he lives 15 minutes from us, he can't come to our house since getting the COVID vaccine.
36:50 He had like, heart issues.
36:52 He had, he had heart surgery and it's just crazy.
36:55 And like, you've been helping him and you're the first person that out of like, this long list of doctors and it's just wild.
37:02 It's, it just blows my mind what he and I have a lot to say about that one too.
37:06 But even the other day he was like, hey, I think this supplements helping me, like, how many are you taking?
37:10 It's like, I'm taking one, I'm like, do you take more so.
37:14 but I do think he's on the right track and, and seeing some improvement.
37:17 So I see people like that really, really, really, really, really, really often.
37:21 And I would say for him too and even if he hears this, he knows this.
37:25 But I'm like, dude, I can't wait for you to get out of your house because they're, they're in the, they're in the process of moving like I can't wait for you to get out of your house because I think that that was a, he gets asthma when he goes down in his basement.
37:36 Like dude, you gotta get out of your house.
37:38 Yeah, that's like a red flag.
37:40 Oh, big time, big time, big time.
37:42 And I think that again, I don't think that we're sharing too much.
37:44 But I think the point is that there's other things besides just COVID or the vaccine or other things, but there's other things that keep somebody stuck or, or allow somebody to maybe not, not get well after this.
38:00 There's also all kinds of studies that I can show which are crazy.
38:05 They're super cool.
38:06 They're COVID studies but they'll say things like, you know, when COVID first came out, they were like, why are some people doing fine and some people are doing poor?
38:13 Yeah, there's all kinds of studies that say it's based on your glutathione status and other things.
38:18 But there's a ton about glutathione and mold depletes, glutathione, toxins, deplete glutathione, the pesticides and heavy metals, they deplete glutathione.
38:26 And it's that, I mean, I see depleted glutathione and teenagers, kids all the time.
38:30 I mean, who was a kid?
38:32 I was just with it had, you know, just, I don't know, a lot of kids it's really common.
38:36 They will see the jacked up glutathione markers.
38:39 But if you lose that antioxidant capacity, then you get an infection and your body just cannot handle it.
38:44 Whereas other people skate through with no problem.
38:47 So there are underlying things and this is all, this is not in the New York Times or the Me Chicago Tribune or things like that.
38:54 This is you got to dive into the medical literature.
38:58 But when you speak, like I spoke at this seminar for two hours and when on my slide deck was 92 slides long or something.
39:06 It was just all studies and it was just like jaws on the floor of like, oh my gosh, this stuff has been out there since 2020 about like why are some of them getting sick and some other, some others aren't.
39:17 And then, and then even now with Long COVID, some of those mechanisms that are involved with that, that research is out there, but it is not what you're gonna find when you Google it.
39:26 And you read like somebody's blog article of like, here's my long COVID story.
39:30 You're like, that's me.
39:31 And then you're gonna join that club which again is gonna be counterproductive as far as actually looking for the root cause and all the different variables.
39:40 So I'm, I'm rambling a little bit but I think that the, the research is out there, especially with COVID and COVID is particularly fascinating.
39:48 I would say for me too, at first, my, my approach to COVID, I talked about this whole thing in my semi.
39:55 That was basically the whole point of it was I went through timeline wise.
39:58 I was like, at first I completely ignored it.
40:01 Like, just, it, it kept moving with my life, worried about my focus.
40:04 You know, we just bought a house and just kept my business going and just like, yeah, the world was going crazy but we just like, stayed focused at home.
40:12 But then it was like, this research started coming out and then I started to get super intrigued because I'm a research guy.
40:18 It's like, oh, ok, like this is why people are getting sick from it.
40:21 They don't have to go to L, they don't, they don't have this, they don't have that.
40:24 There's, these studies are coming out comparing populations to populations and when you look at that, which again is not ever shown conventionally or mainstream media or even even alternative media.
40:38 But it is out there in the medical literature and there are just thousands upon thousands of COVID studies.
40:45 , you know, now and so it's, it's, it's quite interesting.
40:49 Yeah, it's super fascinating and, and you know, this, but like my parents were some of the first cases to get COVID and the cruise.
40:58 They were like, that was like the first, first COVID, they were on that cruise ship for listeners that got it, got I don't know, they, they held it at the port of Oakland which is like the first, the first day of COVID.
41:13 I mean, I think that everybody remembers at least, like when that started, there was like a few cases.
41:18 I remember every day there was one cruise ship that was like off the coast of California.
41:21 It was like your parents were on that and it was like, it was really scary for a while for your dad and stuff too.
41:26 Well.
41:27 So, yeah.
41:27 So they got sent to, once they finally were allowed to dock, they, people in Hazmat suits took them to San Diego to a military base and my mom got a mild headache and my dad went to the IC and they told me say goodbye to your dad over facetime.
41:41 He's not gonna, he might not make it hours.
41:44 Definitely not days.
41:45 And somehow he pulled through.
41:46 But because of that, he got blood clots because of that.
41:49 He lost the ability or he had strokes because of that.
41:53 He lost the ability to eat.
41:54 He couldn't eat the last year of his year and a half of his life.
41:58 But every time they gave him a COVID shot.
42:00 It was like, it set him back like six more months.
42:02 It was just wild.
42:03 It was so I, I, I, I, you know, if I saw, if I show all these slides, it's like, oh, shoot, that totally makes sense.
42:14 But my, my, so what my mentor, my main mentor, two of my main mentors, the authors of this book is 11 and two of them or one of them.
42:21 But my mentor, they put out a paper.
42:23 It was one of the most widely read papers in all of COVID.
42:26 It's one of the most widely read papers in the history of scientific literature.
42:30 just a massive impact factor and things like that.
42:32 But it was about how COVID antibodies cross react with body tissue, like thyroid tissue, mitochondrial tissue, joint tissue, like all these tissues.
42:42 And they, and they showed that in research, this is before the vaccine, right before it.
42:45 And they said very politically correctly, you know, you gotta walk on eggshells.
42:50 They were like, we might want to be careful with this as we produce vaccines that are intended to produce COVID antibodies because that's the purpose of a vaccine which again makes sense immunologically like, hey, if you're gonna fight a virus, let's produce antibodies against it.
43:04 But if those antibodies accidentally bind to self tissue, then you've got an autoimmune disease.
43:10 And so I've seen people get post COVID with vaxes.
43:15 I've seen everything and a lot of it is crazy.
43:18 There's a lot of times it's neuro stuff, but I've seen wild COVID, like I saw a 22 year old, 21 year old kid get type one diabetes after COVID.
43:27 I've seen to get R A after COVID.
43:29 , you know, thyra and all the others.
43:32 It's maybe harder to say for sure.
43:34 But some of those are like they started right then, especially the type one diabetes.
43:38 This kid's blood sugar is in the 600.
43:40 And he was like a 21 year old young healthy kid that worked a landscaping job in Texas and then went to the gym afterward and stuff like that just like a strapping young man and all of a sudden his blood sugars in the six hundreds.
43:53 So it's crazy.
43:55 That is crazy.
43:57 Yeah, that is crazy.
43:58 And I like, I like something you said earlier when you were talking about if you do the research on yourself and then you end up on someone's blog and then you end up in these COVID support groups and you go down this spiral and it's all victimization, right?
44:14 And it's all mindset.
44:15 And then it just is that, that never ending cycle where you're telling yourself you're sick, you're staying sick.
44:23 And I think that's really important and it's kind of like chronic fatigue too.
44:27 That first off you become your diagnosis and then you get this community and you're like, oh, I'm kind of nestled in, comfortable with this community and everybody else is suffering with me.
44:36 And it's like all, you know, it's, I, I, I first thought I hate that but it's also what does it say is like crying fatigue.
44:44 There's, there's, there's a myriad of causes and every single person with that diagnosis is completely 100% different.
44:53 So, it's like you read on a blog that somebody else took vitamin B six and it helped their fatigue and it's like, OK, you put all your hope into that because it helps somebody else and then it doesn't help you and they're more let down and more dejected and it leads to more hopelessness.
45:08 And I just, I mean, a hopelessness is like, I don't know, an epidemic.
45:13 And, and, and so I just think that those, those forums can also be really helpful if they lead people to somebody like me or they lead people to, you know, their next step or their next answer.
45:24 I do think that's the beauty and the power of the internet, but it's also that that group think in that tribe mentality and that keyboard confidence too of like, you know, even if we go to like the polarization today, like it's really easy to get an argument with somebody on, on, on the internet.
45:44 It's like that is I don't know, this, this not the place to be spending a lot of your time, but it's also, you can find podcasts like yours, you can find podcasts like mine, you can find all this re all this literature I'm talking about.
45:57 I didn't go to the library to find it.
45:59 I found it online, but you gotta know how to sift through the stuff and like what's relevant to you and piecing all these things together.
46:08 And we talked about this when I interviewed you on my podcast, Kris, but it's like, once you read a bunch of books, they all say the same thing.
46:16 You know what I mean?
46:16 Like it's all once you read a bunch of science, they all say the same thing and, and it, once you read 1000 studies, you're like, OK, I have a pretty freaking good idea of how these things work and it's gut health and detox really.
46:29 But there's a million different pieces to each person's puzzle.
46:33 And so treating each person as an individual is like how we make this, this progress and success.
46:39 Whereas on the internet, they might just know that like, hey, this methylation is a piece of my puzzle or God is a piece of my puzzle, but they don't know how they can solve it.
46:47 So I think it's a double edged sword, meaning the internet and these groups and things like that.
46:53 But it can lead to some group, group think and, and victimization.
46:58 Victimhood.
46:59 Yeah.
46:59 And I, I talk about the same thing so much not in the, not in relation to health so much, but in relation to mindset and cancel culture, which makes me insane.
47:10 And just your past that you've been through, right?
47:17 So yeah, I, I I'm not gonna go off on that tangent but I, I totally am with you and I can see it being the exact same thing with health when you fall into that victimization.
47:27 And this is why I, I just want to say really quick, but you were talking about how like one person upping their vitamin B or whatever saw them like that's why it's so important to get your labs done, right?
47:36 Because, because you're gonna see where you're sufficient, where you're insufficient and then you can balance it out and you're gonna see what you need, what you need.
47:45 Because again, if you spend enough time in the COVID forums, which I see people like this all the time, they come to me with like 30 supplements and I'm like, why do you think this, why do you take this?
47:56 Yeah.
47:56 Yeah.
47:56 Yeah.
47:57 But I'm like, what is this for?
47:59 What is this for?
47:59 What is this for?
48:00 Because I heard it could help because I heard it could help because I heard it could help or whatever.
48:03 And they all make sense.
48:03 Like what do you need and what is the order of operations?
48:07 And like, you know, even let's take school, for example, we all need to learn how to read, write and do math and do science, but they don't teach it all at once.
48:15 You go first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade and it's very structured because if you just follow the course, then all of a sudden ninth grade trigonometry comes kind of easily.
48:26 But if you do that in third grade, it's like, hey, that ain't gonna work because you're like doing it out of order.
48:30 And I will always say in first grade, I don't, I don't, I don't know, my mom would probably be insulted you.
48:36 I don't think you learn that much you the point or let's say kindergarten, what they want to teach you is like, do you know how to stay in your seat?
48:42 Do you know how to get in line?
48:43 Do you know how to raise your hand?
48:44 Do you know how to just behave?
48:46 Not by the other Children?
48:48 Yes, because that is what you, that is all you need.
48:50 You need to know at that stage.
48:52 You do not even know math and science and reading and writing at that stage.
48:55 You learn a little bit, of course, don't get me wrong.
48:57 But it's more about like, hey, we're setting you up for success because if you don't have these foundations, you're gonna be completely screwed the rest of the time and you're not going to succeed.
49:09 Yeah.
49:10 Yeah.
49:10 Totally.
49:11 And I, I, I know I've been guilty of that.
49:13 Like when I was trying to fight the infertility thing, I came to you and you're like, you're taking like 60 supplements, like, and you're like, where did you hear about all these, I'm like, in these 500 books.
49:22 And it's like you use the machine gun thing versus sniper to me and it makes a lot of sense.
49:27 Right.
49:27 Because you, yeah, until you actually get your labs done, you don't know what works for you.
49:32 OK.
49:32 So here's a big question that you're probably not gonna be able to answer.
49:36 But you know, if I was listening to this and hearing about all of this, you know, and thinking like, how does someone avoid mold?
49:44 How does someone avoid airborne toxins?
49:47 Like, how do I stay healthy in a world where this stuff is everywhere even in the tap water?
49:53 Like, I mean, for those two things, it's fairly easy filter them, like get a water filter and get an air filter and filter your air, filter your water.
50:04 Now, if there's some big thing, like, you know, something in your water or something like in a, well, especially more so than municipal as far as the big thing, but then you might have to do some testing and stuff like that or labs could point to it, but especially the mold.
50:19 Like I had somebody yesterday who has had sinus infections and, and they've been really, really, really, really bad and she has not been getting better And so I'm like, ok, pause, something's not working because in my office, if things aren't getting better, we're like, ok, some of them, there's a reason, let's figure out that reason.
50:35 And so long story short, some people problem is small.
50:40 Hers was not.
50:41 And that sucks.
50:42 She had luckily, financially, things like that they're capable of dealing with the problem.
50:47 But some people aren't, sometimes that's a big problem.
50:49 But they had like, their shower was leaking under their floor and had leaked between their walls and between their floor and had been dripping in there forever.
50:55 And there's the high mold and so that was dripping down into their guest bedroom and then like the west side of their house, while the storms come in, they had it wrapped the house in Tyvek.
51:04 And so there's just siding on top of block or studs or whatever so that it was all moldy and, and had been wet and sweaty.
51:10 So it's been like a Pandora's Box.
51:13 But they again have the financial capabilities of dealing with it.
51:16 And she's like, I feel so much better and I talked to her like a month ago.
51:21 So it's not like it had been that long.
51:23 She's like, I like just so much better and they're not even done yet.
51:28 But that's again, big things like, but there are also Kris varying levels of cost and engagement.
51:37 So like mold testing plates, you can set them out around your house.
51:41 And whatever grows on them, lets you know like a little bit about is their mold.
51:45 They're $30 for six of them.
51:47 They're dirt cheap.
51:48 They're super easy.
51:49 This lady did mold testing plates.
51:51 That was the first thing she did.
51:53 They were, it was crazy bad.
51:55 And so I was like, because I told her I was like, so if we have 25 year old carpet, we're gonna get it out next year.
52:00 I was like, ok, well, if you want to get rid of your sinus infections, you might need to get that out now.
52:03 So that she tested it with a plate and it was really bad.
52:07 Then she had a mold testing person come in and it was even worse.
52:09 And then they, they've already got rid of it and now she's already feeling better.
52:13 But going back to your question, an air filter, an air purifier.
52:18 again, I did talk touch on this not to skip the question, but in my most recent podcast with my pediatrician friend, we talk a lot about this HEPA filters ionizers, different things like that.
52:29 I also have different podcasts about how to breathe cleaner air.
52:33 But really, that's the point is like, find the source, remove the source or if it's just like, because I live in the world, we don't sell plastic bubbles.
52:40 So getting an air purifier, I'm huge on, I've got an air purifier right there.
52:45 I've got an ionizer right on the other side of the wall.
52:48 So that's like, I don't know, like a lot of dollars worth of air filtration just like right in my, my immediate vicinity.
52:56 I, because I take that really, really serious.
52:58 I think of environment, I think of air is the number one, I think of sunlight and, and circadian rhythms is number two.
53:06 Then I think of exercise.
53:07 Then I think of diet but breathing cleaner air filter it, breathing cleaner water filter it.
53:13 Now also, I would say any filter is better than no filter, but there's always good, better and best.
53:20 And like, do you need a $2000 air purifier?
53:23 Do you need a whole home water filtration?
53:25 That's like the Mac Daddy or do you just need like something to clean out the particles?
53:29 Well, it kind of kind of depends on your sickness level, your budget level, like where you're at with that.
53:34 But that's another thing that I'm really big on is like there are no cookie cutter answers.
53:40 What's right for you?
53:42 And some people are like, hey, I got the budget to do this and like, well, then this is what you need to do.
53:48 And so they were like, hey, I don't and I'm like, well, this is what you need to do.
53:52 So it's just like, no matter where somebody is at.
53:54 I'm like, this is what you need to do, but it's not cookie cutter for every single person that makes sense.
53:59 So, so what you're saying is just removing yourself from the environment like meaning like maybe you live in a moldy apartment and you stop renting that and move somewhere else or so something like that can even help it but but will that have caused enough damage in your body that then you need to address that or can just moving bo, bo Both in general, I always draw it as a bucket.
54:24 If the bucket is emptying faster than it's filling, you're gonna move in a healthier direction.
54:30 If it's feeling faster than it's ending, you're gonna get sicker.
54:33 But getting out of the environment stops filling it from the top, but it also might already be full and then you might need to detoxify.
54:41 So it's a combo of both of like the environment from the top and the detoxification at the bottom because sometimes the bucket's emptying because you're like, hey, I live in a moldy house.
54:50 I moved out.
54:51 I'm feeling a lot better, but I've still got this, this and this and it's like, well, you know, three years now you're probably gonna feel better.
54:57 But how do we speed that up?
54:59 And that comes into things like glutathione, binder, sauna, gut health, whatever the case is, how can we lower the toxic burden?
55:07 is the next thing that makes sense.
55:10 So just trying to like get as much out and get all the good stuff in as you can.
55:15 And I know we're, we're like coming up on an hour.
55:17 But you mentioned something that now I have to ask you about that.
55:21 I think is so fascinating.
55:22 When you were, when you were talking about all the things that are important to you that you look for or that you want people to focus on.
55:28 You said sunlight and circadian rhythms before exercise and diet.
55:32 And I feel like so many people come into these episodes thinking, oh, diet is going to be the number one thing then exercise and all this other stuff.
55:39 So talk to me really quick about sunlight and circadian rhythms.
55:43 Well, I think that first off that topic has trended a lot higher in the last 5, 10 years.
55:49 I mean, even with like Huberman and things like that, that somebody yesterday, I was like, have you heard of Huberman?
55:55 They're like, yeah, I was like, oh, so you live in America?
55:57 But there, there's a hot topics, Jack Cruz, other people like that.
56:01 But even their whole conversation was like this Trump's food and that kind of like ruffled people's feathers or people were kind of shocked by that.
56:08 My whole thing is like Eric Trump's that, but it's a little bit of both.
56:13 But your circadian rhythms are controlled by your light exposure and that's the rhythm of your body knowing day and night.
56:20 So we're all of our bodies over a third of our genes are controlled by circadian mechanisms.
56:28 And so there's, there's a, just a lot of regulation of genetic processes, metabolic processes.
56:35 They have it on a 24 hour clock, like you wake up in the day and it gets you energized and ready and get going and then you sleep at night to recover and things like that and it's tightly regulated and you know, that can get off track.
56:46 So shift work or jet lag or things like that can really throw this off and even shift work is classified as a, as a carcinogen now, or like artificial light at night, which is a and artificial light at night is AAA carcinogen.
57:00 And so those things are just, are starting to be more well known to be associated, not only with things like, hey, your sleep is gonna get messed up, but also things like cancer and Alzheimer's because it, it's not to say that like, hey, keeping your TV, on at night, it's gonna lead to these things.
57:17 But it's saying, hey, the mechanism is if you disrupt this mechanism, it's gonna cause dysfunction and if that dysfunction is severe enough, it's going to present itself or, or as this or that.
57:31 So that's circadian, that's light exposure.
57:34 Our bodies are designed to be under natural light.
57:38 Like even for me, I'm back here in my cave and staring into this like circle light thing that's not good for my circadian rhythm.
57:45 That is the nature of the beast.
57:46 And there's also the value of technology that to connect with you in California or I see, you know, I had a patient the other day in Dubai and she's like, this is the best thing about COVID.
57:55 I can talk so to somebody like you, I also wear blue box and glasses most of the day I didn't today because I have a light on.
58:01 But those things you can do, but getting basically real light in the day and avoiding fake light at night is basically the two sides of that coin.
58:13 Our bodies were not designed to be, you know, to be a fake light at night.
58:17 You know, our ancestors, they maybe saw candlelight and firelight.
58:22 But other than that, they never saw lights, you know, incandescent lights were invented in 1895 and it was like before that it was candles.
58:29 So I think that is something that again, it's not like I'm not gonna watch Thursday night football tonight, but I might put blue blocking glasses on and I might, you know, sleep with an eye mask and then different things like that or try to get that light.
58:44 So I sit on my front porch every morning, my front porch faces east and it's like that's where my kids get on the bus too.
58:50 So I have a cup of coffee and sit out facing east over the sunrise every single day.
58:55 Even right now, it'd be 32 degrees out today.
58:57 I had a beanie on and I sit outside and, and like, that's just part of my routine.
59:03 But I think that's just really, really important for because it sets your rhythms of things like hormones and things like thyroid and the cortisol and things like that.
59:13 And also Melatonin, you know, sometimes the night rhythms too are set by the day rhythms.
59:18 There's not as much you can do at night to boost those rhythms like Melatonin.
59:23 I mean, obviously you could take stuff, but a lot of the things you do in the day can help you, your body sleep better at night.
59:30 So you want energy in the day and sleep at night.
59:33 And a lot of people that flip flopped with that, they're wi wired and tired, they're tired all day and they're wired all night.
59:41 And that's the most important thing before you reach for an adrenal supplement before you, you know, do a hormone test, cortisol test before you start taking Melatonin.
59:49 It's like, look at your light environment and that's something I'm just really, really big on.
59:55 I've got podcasts and youtube videos.
59:57 I've got some great ones about that.
59:59 It's honestly, they're like, I know they're not old, they're not like four years old now because it was a topic that I was really, really into for a time.
1:00:08 And you know how it is, you get, you get into something you learn a lot about it and then your focus shifts.
1:00:12 But you don't forget what, you, you don't forget what you've learned.
1:00:15 So it's still something I practice.
1:00:16 Still something I preach.
1:00:17 But I've got a lot of podcasts about that in the way.
1:00:21 Like different things you can do.
1:00:22 Blue black and glasses.
1:00:23 I've tried them all red lights, sleep masks, weighted blankets.
1:00:28 10,000 lux lights in the morning.
1:00:30 I got a vitamin D lamp.
1:00:31 I've got infrared saunas.
1:00:32 I've got all these different things.
1:00:33 So I just have a lot of experience with these things even.
1:00:36 It's personally.
1:00:36 And I just talk through like, hey, this is why you might benefit from this versus this and bang for the buck or like, hey, the sauna is in your budget.
1:00:44 Get a sauna.
1:00:45 But otherwise what if you get 100 and $50 red light or whatever it is?
1:00:49 There's a lot of different ways to target this.
1:00:53 Yeah, totally.
1:00:54 And it's funny, it's like Shane and I have all these things that we've talked about.
1:00:57 Right.
1:00:57 We have water filters, we have air purifiers, we use blue blocking glasses.
1:01:01 We have red lights, we have natural cleaners, we have eye masks, but it's like, and someone listening who's just starting on this journey might think that that's really overwhelming, but it just becomes second nature and it's just like the stuff just like accumulates.
1:01:14 It's like, I know, you know, it's like, I'm a skier, I'm a big skier as you mentioned.
1:01:19 And like, it seems insane when you walk into my garage.
1:01:23 Like, why does this dude need eight pairs of skis?
1:01:26 And I, it's not like I bought all eight at once.
1:01:28 They just accumulate.
1:01:29 So it's like, you know, my wife is like, maybe they shouldn't accumulate but they just, they just accumulate, you know, they get worn out and things like that too or, or like, you know, I, I, I own a few guns and it's like those are the skis at least get worn out.
1:01:42 But it's just like, stuff accumulates if, if that's something that you, if that's a hobby of yours or if that's, you know, if you hunt or things like that, just like things start accumulating and wellness is a hobby of mine.
1:01:53 So I got so many freaking gadgets.
1:01:55 It's unbelievable.
1:01:56 But I also know how and when to use them.
1:01:58 And I would say too, Kris, I'm like a, a Wellness carpenter.
1:02:02 If a carpenter comes to your house, they're gonna have a big toolbox full of tools, but they're not gonna use them all for your project.
1:02:12 They're gonna use whatever they need for your project, but they know how to use them all and they know how to do any project that you put in front of them.
1:02:20 If they're really good and the more experience that they get, the more they, the more good they get with those tools and when to use which one to get the best outcome.
1:02:29 So there's all these different tools that we use.
1:02:33 And that's kind of my expertise too is just knowing like, hey, man, you're using the screwdriver and you need to be using the drill.
1:02:39 Yeah, totally.
1:02:41 And, and you know, if you're listening and you're like, I don't want to accumulate all these things, you know, sitting outside like we, we just moved and we're building a fence and I can't wait because usually part of my morning routine is, like, putting on as little clothing as possible.
1:02:56 Sometimes, like no clothing and out and getting red light in the morning in the sun.
1:03:00 Like, while I drink my coffee.
1:03:01 Right.
1:03:01 Like, and it's like, there's, you don't need like a red light lamp to do that.
1:03:06 And I just, one other statistic I just recently heard when we're talking about circadian rhythms, I heard that every time there's daylight savings,, heart attacks decrease by 25%.
1:03:17 And then every time in the fall when we lose that hour, heart attacks increase by 25%.
1:03:22 This is like, this is no joke.
1:03:24 Like, it can really, really affect you.
1:03:26 Yeah.
1:03:26 Huh.
1:03:27 That's interesting.
1:03:28 Yeah, I, like, I just read that the other day when we,, I, I wish they would just get rid of it.
1:03:33 It's so stupid.
1:03:34 Yeah.
1:03:34 I don't mind it but I don't understand that because you don't lose an hour.
1:03:37 They just shift it, but still the same day.
1:03:40 But that is interesting and I just wonder what the other variables are of, like, what else is going on in the fall.
1:03:46 But I, I, I believe it, I mean, they think it was, I think it was for, like, farmers back in the day or something.
1:03:53 Something that's like, but the annoying thing is that some other countries don't have it.
1:03:58 Some other countries have it.
1:03:59 People in America don't have.
1:04:01 Yeah, exactly.
1:04:01 Like Arizona doesn't do it.
1:04:03 Yeah.
1:04:03 Indiana is weird about it because it, it totally depends on where you fall on the timeline lines and things like that, of time zone lines and things like that.
1:04:11 But it's, it's, yeah, I, I, I don't mind it because I like it.
1:04:14 It's like a interesting change of pace.
1:04:17 I think that in the winter, right, when things are getting shorter then you get a morning, an extra hour of daylight in the morning.
1:04:23 I mean, early morning sunlight, it gets darker earlier.
1:04:26 But right when I'm missing that early morning sunlight, it's like, it's starting to fade then it's like, ok, now it shifts back.
1:04:32 So I just like it as a change of pace but I'm sure it's not a healthy thing and it's certainly not a natural thing.
1:04:37 The natural thing would be ditching your watch in your calendar and just like existing.
1:04:41 , but I, I'm just personally not opposed to it but I'm sure it's not that healthy.
1:04:47 I, I just saw some meme that was like, if we had 13 months in the year, every month would be 28 weeks and every single month would fall, start on a Monday and end on a Sunday.
1:04:59 And I was like, why the fuck not?
1:05:02 It's so stupid.
1:05:05 I don't know if you like, ever, there's like a Nate Vargas.
1:05:08 He just hosted S N L.
1:05:09 I like, never watch S N L anymore.
1:05:11 But he did this like amazing skit.
1:05:13 I'll send it to you after where he's like George Washington and he's like, I'm imagining a country where we use like the Met.
1:05:21 We don't use the metric system and like three and it's just like talking about how ridiculous it is and it's like how many feet will be in line.
1:05:27 It's like 5000, 200 ladies.
1:05:29 Ok, because that's a number everyone will remember.
1:05:32 Yeah.
1:05:32 Somebody, somebody said that to me.
1:05:34 They said it to me twice too.
1:05:35 So they must have like, they wanted me to see it because they said it to me and then I didn't say anything and then they sent it to me again.
1:05:42 I was die laughing.
1:05:43 That was so good.
1:05:43 He, he's like, they're like asking questions.
1:05:46 He's like, no one knows.
1:05:48 Yeah, it's so, it's silly.
1:05:50 Awesome.
1:05:51 Well, is there anything you want to leave people with that?
1:05:54 We didn't cover like any last minute advice or anything before I No, not really.
1:05:59 I mean, I think that just tying back to your podcast, Kris and just kind of everybody that's listening to this, all this starts with your mindset.
1:06:07 And I don't mean, like, I don't know, even, I, I just, it just mean, like if your mindset is that you're seeking answers, then you're gonna find them.
1:06:15 If your mindset is that you're accepting things that and you're, or you're, you know, complaining about them or things like that, then, then that's gonna be your outcome.
1:06:25 So it, you get what you're seeking, I think and you get what you're looking for and if you're looking for you, you know, you don't always get it at the pace, you want it, you know, especially when people are sick, they wanna get well real quick.
1:06:35 But sometimes that takes years of trying and the people that are digging at like I always say everybody that I come to is in a hole of some sort, some people and very rarely in my practice.
1:06:45 But let's say everybody in the world is like, so they're like, who pushed me in here?
1:06:49 Was it COVID?
1:06:50 Like whose fault was it?
1:06:52 Like instead of responsibility?
1:06:53 It's like, somebody else pushed me down here, blah, blah, blah, like who could I blame?
1:06:58 Whereas other people are like, hey, no matter what caused me to be down here, how do I get out?
1:07:03 And they're just crawling to get out?
1:07:05 And I'm like, Hey, those are the ones that I wanna work with because otherwise, or the other metaphor, same metaphor.
1:07:09 But it's like I only got so much room in my life boat and my job is to save drowning people.
1:07:15 So if I'm throwing out your, the life thing and you're not swimming towards it, goodbye, I'm moving on to the next person and some people are swimming like crazy and it's not a, that's no, no, no diss to the other people.
1:07:27 I love them just as much.
1:07:28 And this is, they're all three of the same metaphors.
1:07:30 I have to keep changing.
1:07:31 But the other one, they're all great.
1:07:33 I use this one a lot too.
1:07:33 If the, if the hotel is on fire, if I knock on your door and you're in 201, if you don't wake up, see you, I'm moving on to 202 and I'm knocking on all the doors.
1:07:42 So it's like if you, if you're not seeking your own answers, then you're not gonna find them.
1:07:48 And it's not my job.
1:07:50 I've learned this the hard way because I've learned too that I see so many people that I'm like, hey, I could really help you.
1:07:56 But if you're not asking for my help, then that's not my role.
1:08:00 So I don't like go up to people and like, hey, you know, you could do this, hey, you could do that.
1:08:04 That's first off.
1:08:04 That's really, really, really, really, really really annoying, unsolicited advice is like one of the worst things, some people need a lot of help.
1:08:11 But if they're not coming to you for help, then guess what?
1:08:13 They're not ready for help and they're not looking for it and you're gonna waste your energy if you're a helper or you're a healer.
1:08:18 But there's a lot of people out there that are, that need it and they're seeking it and they want it and they're looking for and that all starts with your mindset of like, how, how much, how hard are you trying to solve this problem?
1:08:32 I mean, like I said before, I couldn't agree more and I've gone on my own tangents about this on the show and on social media where like you can't help people who don't want to be helped and when people become so it, it's become trendy to be a victim these days, especially with social media.
1:08:47 And when people fall into that, when it becomes their identity, they, they find comfort in that, right?
1:08:53 They, they have perceived benefits to playing the victim, right?
1:08:59 Or even it's even harder they get attention or even with, you know, not to bring this up.
1:09:05 But like the pronoun thing, it's like, I'm not trying to offend you but you know what I mean?
1:09:10 Everyone's offended by these things like, oh, you didn't call me the right name like, well, I'm sorry, I had no idea.
1:09:15 I know it's no one's trying to offend you but that you make it personal with these things.
1:09:20 So, anyway.
1:09:22 Yeah.
1:09:23 Yeah.
1:09:24 Yeah.
1:09:24 Yeah, totally.
1:09:25 And, and I don't know if you've ever read the four agreements, but it's one of my favorite books and, like, one of the four agreements is never take anything personally because what other people say and do has nothing to do with you but you make it about you.
1:09:37 Yes.
1:09:38 Exactly.
1:09:39 And, and you still want to be respectful, of course, to everybody.
1:09:42 But sometimes we just like, we wanna be hurt, we wanna be a victim because then it allows us to be that victim even more.
1:09:50 And people get kind of addicted to that to that, you know, like, well, you offended me and you offended me and you offended me.
1:09:55 And it's like, well, maybe it's you and like you said, they get sucked into groupthink then, right?
1:10:00 There's other people that are like, yes, you're a victim and then they're like, yes, I'm a victim and we can all talk about how we're a victim together and then we can fight these causes that make us a victim.
1:10:11 But, but by the way, like taking no accountability or responsibility for our own healing.
1:10:15 Exactly.
1:10:16 100%.
1:10:18 Yeah.
1:10:19 Anyway, we could, we could Yeah.
1:10:21 Awesome.
1:10:22 So tell people how they can find you how they can work with you, how they can listen to you all the things.
1:10:27 Find me on the autoimmune doc podcast.
1:10:32 That's my podcast name.
1:10:33 So anywhere podcast found not youtube but Spotify Stitcher, Apple, of course.
1:10:41 And that's my podcast.
1:10:44 You can find me on Instagram.
1:10:46 I, we have like Facebook and stuff.
1:10:48 I don't know because I don't use Facebook, but I think we have all the stuff, but you can find me on Instagram as my, most of my best channel.
1:10:54 I do have an extensive youtube channel as well.
1:10:57 That's called Washington Wellness Center.
1:11:00 But even if you find me on Instagram at autoimmune do, then you can link to all these other things.
1:11:06 I could see why you need your fencing your back garden.
1:11:08 I just saw someone walking by.
1:11:09 It's like, but yeah, yeah, so that you don't want to be sitting out there like a scantily clad in your morning sunlight product.
1:11:18 But those, those are the places you can find me.
1:11:22 Yeah, and, and I'm sure you put maybe links in the show notes and things, but the website, the podcast youtube, those are my my go tos.
1:11:30 I don't do stuff all that often, but there's, there's an archive of, in my opinion, different gems through there from throughout the years.
1:11:37 And a lot of people that come to me, they're like, hey, over the last year, I've listened to every single one of your podcasts.
1:11:42 I watch every single one of your youtubes and I wanna work with you really like, I know that we're, we're gonna, you're the person for me or things like that.
1:11:50 So a lot of times that's how people gain some trust in me as well is by listening just to me talk and kind of,, I don't know.
1:11:58 Go from there.
1:12:00 Yeah.
1:12:00 And he's being humble, his podcast and his youtube channel are just invaluable resources for anything, autoimmune, anything mold related, anything gut related.
1:12:10 So, if you have, I've sent so many people that way.
1:12:15 So if there's something that you want to learn about, there's, it's probably a topic that Taylor's covered.
1:12:21 So, yeah, and there, it's deep.
1:12:23 I mean, it's, it's not in a bad way, but it's like if you wanna know a little bit more about basically the stuff we talked about today, there's a ton on there about toxins, got studies, case reviews, whatever the case is.
1:12:38 But again, I don't put stuff out there that often, but just throughout the years of accumulate, it's kind of like skis.
1:12:42 So there's all this now.
1:12:45 It's now it's a great archive.
1:12:47 And then what we do in practice is I'll send people like, hey, you to listen to this podcast and this youtube video and read this now.
1:12:55 like, so we can build out a customized curriculum for people based on their situation.
1:13:02 Not, not, not the others.
1:13:05 Yeah, totally.
1:13:07 Awesome.
1:13:07 Well, thanks so much for coming on.
1:13:09 I appreciate you I know you're busy.
1:13:11 I appreciate you taking the time and everyone go check out the links in the show notes to find all, all the ways you can get in touch with Taylor and check out the links in the show notes to figure out all the ways you can get in touch with me too.
1:13:23 Check out my book, change your mind to change your reality.
1:13:26 It's available in paperback ebook audio book.
1:13:29 Got lots of great stuff on my website.
1:13:31 Some for free.
1:13:32 So check it out and I will see you all next time.
1:13:34 Have a beautiful rest of your day.
1:13:36 Nice.
1:13:36 Thanks Kris.
1:13:37 Thanks for having me on.
.png?width=527&height=398&name=Vector_Smart_Object%20(14).png)
