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1:04All right, so, hi, I'm Kris.
1:06When I was younger, I went through trauma that caused me to feel broken and lost.
1:11But my life changed after I had a spiritual awakening.
1:15Since then, I've dedicated my life to studying and learning from masters all around the world that have helped me to create a life of fulfillment and abundance beyond my wildest dreams.
1:24Now I'm dedicated to sharing everything I've learned so that you don't have to suffer for decades like I did.
1:30I've seen people's lives completely transformed, and I share it all right here.
1:36With me today, I have Kerri Scott.
1:39Kerri is an astrophysicist turned metaphysician, and she's the founder of the Soul Cels framework and author of the book Buddha's Closet, Cleaning as a Path to Enlightenment.
1:50As a writer, researcher, grief advocate and thought leader, Kerry helps spiritual seekers find profound self-love without the need for external validation by guiding their awareness in words.
2:02So Kerri, welcome.
2:04I'm so happy you're here with us today.
2:06Thank you so much for having me, Kris.
2:08I've been really looking forward to our conversation.
2:10Yeah, me too.
2:12And you know, we had a pre-call, you told me all about the Soul Selves framework, so I'm really excited for our audience to get to know it.
2:19, but before we dive into that, I always start my shows the same way.
2:24And that is by asking my guests what their origin story is.
2:27So if you wouldn't mind sharing, what is it that led you on this path?
2:31How did you get started?
2:34That's a great question.
2:35, you know, I think what really sort of kick-started my journey was when I turned 40.
2:40On my 40th birthday, I treated myself to,, a float experience, you know, where you go into a sensory deprivation tank and,, just float for an hour.
2:51And,, at the time, I was, a mom.
2:54I still am a mom, obviously, but my children were quite young and I just wanted some solace.
2:58I thought this is the best way to have some like peace and quiet and time to myself because they were really little, and I'm sure you're probably kind of feeling this yourself as a new mom, like there's a lot going on and you don't really get that, that, you know, that, that piece, that time.
3:14, so I went into the float tank and what I soon realized was that it was actually very, very loud in there, and the noise was all inside of my head.
3:25And I had to really draw on my experience,, with meditation that I hadn't used for a really long time.
3:33I learned it when I was in my teens, originally, and then,, yeah, just remembering how to meditate again was a huge awakening.
3:43And,, I went through this process of sort of paying attention to each one of my chakras.
3:48And as I, as I moved up, I got to my heart, and all of a sudden I had this huge sort of like emotional release and realized that there was a huge block there that was keeping me from, you know, becoming More of the person that I needed to be.
4:04And so when I left that float experience, I knew there was a whole bunch of grief,, from, you know, a loss that I had earlier in my life that I hadn't been dealing with properly, and it was time to finally, like, turn the flashlight around inside myself and, and really explore that.
4:21And that just kind of began this whole awakening journey of, of discovering that there, you know, was so much more to the grief, and it was such a gift to me to be able to, to spend the time and explore it.
4:35And, just learn all of the Ways that I was holding myself back, particularly in terms of not being aware of my thinking and then yeah, it just kind of unfolded from from there really, so.
4:50Yeah, thank you so much for sharing that.
4:53And that's funny.
4:54I was literally thinking about it, I should go in a floating for Mother's Day because it's almost Mother's Day.
4:59, can I ask who you lost?
5:01What who was the grief over?
5:02Yeah, absolutely.
5:03So,, when I was in my twenties, I dated this fellow,, Michael, and the experience that we shared together was unlike any relationship I've ever had.
5:15And I, I consider him my twin flame, now that I can look back and,, Have a little bit more perspective on, on what was going on.
5:22I didn't know it at the time, but,, shortly after we dated, he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and a year after his diagnosis, he died by suicide.
5:33And so, what,, one of the things that I learned as I was sort of, you know, uncovering this grief or, you know, digging into this grief experience that I had is that often with suicide survivors,, there is this term called frozen in grief.
5:50And because of this stigma around the, the death and the mental illness and all those things, I never talked to anybody about it.
5:59And so for You know, nearly decades.
6:02I just thought I was grieving the way that I was supposed to, the way society sort of expected me to, but what I didn't know is that,, talking about it and sharing my experience with other people and And having conversations with people who'd had similar losses was probably the healthiest thing that I could have done.
6:20And so I really find it important to advocate for that now in terms of,, sharing any kind of loss or any kind of grief and, and just being able to talk it through because each time I share my grief, I feel a little bit more and a little bit more.
6:37Yeah, thank you so much for sharing and, and totally, that's why they have support groups, right, because it's cathartic to process out loud with other people and communities.
6:47So I totally get that.
6:49So, so.
6:51I guess the next question would be, you know, a decade later, you realize you're still holding on to this.
6:57It's, it's stored in your body, right?
7:00Maybe it's a repressed emotion or maybe is one that has been suppressed.
7:04How did you start to process that grief?
7:07How did you start to allow yourself to really feel it to the point where you were able to heal from it?
7:12I think the most important way for me, because I wasn't ready to talk about it, was through writing.
7:20And writing was such an amazing avenue for me to really explore what was going on.
7:26And it's when, when I was writing about my experience, I had to go back and, and relive it, to be able to really flesh it out and get to the emotion of it.
7:38And as hard as that was, to be Putting myself back in those situations, it also was so healthy in the sense that I finally was giving myself the opportunity to release all those emotions that I hadn't been releasing, you know, along the way.
7:54And so,, yeah, just that, that, that.
7:59Gift to myself of the time to be able to go in and and journal and write and and research and learn more about, you know, what bipolar illness was, learn more about suicide and suicide survivors and explore all those avenues, and then reading other people's stories.
8:16, would trigger memories within me that,, you know, brought back certain emotions and whatnot.
8:23And so just all of those little pieces put together over time really gave me the opportunity to finally just be in my grief.
8:32And, and what I learned.
8:35Along the way was that, you know, there was This Victim part of myself that was really feeling.
8:45Stuck in my grief and, and hurt because of the loss and feeling like, you know, I could never be a certain way again without Michael in my life.
8:56But then, as I was able to release all this and, and learn more about it, it really transitioned into this beautiful experience where now I was able to realize that I can feel the way that I felt with him anytime because I always felt that way within myself.
9:13That was this sort of uncovering of like this gift of self-love that was kind of his gift to me all along, right?
9:23That's so beautiful.
9:25I got, I got goosebumps when you were saying that.
9:27And, and I love that you started to process through writing because writing is so powerful, you know, everyone talks about journaling, and there's a reason they talk about it, right?
9:36Because it works.
9:38And it feels like what you were really doing was allowing yourself that space.
9:42You said to be in your grief and and to to feel it, right?
9:47You have to, the way out is through, right?
9:49You have to allow yourself to feel those emotions and I also love that you were researching and reading other people's stories, you know, it's the thing I do too, when I, when I'm feeling a certain way and I need to, it's a way of connecting with people knowing you're not alone.
10:05And like you said, it's such a great way to help you start to feel those emotions, right?
10:10Like, To have those memories come up and and trigger something, and then you get to feel that too, right?
10:17It's like peeling away the layers of an onion.
10:20And I love that you were talking about how you fell into victim mode first, because that's something I talk a lot about on the show is, you know, there, if you look out into the world, there's a million reasons to be angry and to feel like a victim.
10:32But you can't truly heal when you're in victim mode, can you?
10:36No, no, no, that was such a huge realization for me.
10:40And When I, when I finally took responsibility for Even the littlest things in my life, like, I always use the example of leaving a dirty cup on the counter, you know, I would blame somebody else in my family first.
10:55And then when I, when I finally like flipped the switch and was like, OK, no, I need to take responsibility for everything.
11:02Everything that's going around me.
11:03Anytime I feel the need to blame somebody, I got to turn it around.
11:07And take responsibility.
11:09And that changed everything, like my mood, my, you know, my overall energy level, everything,, you know, increased because I was no longer blaming anybody else.
11:20And even if it wasn't my fault,, I still could find a way to take responsibility for that because maybe I wasn't communicating my boundaries well enough for my needs or expressing,, Something that I could have, you know, communicated better in, in some sort of way.
11:37And so everything just got better and better and better when I started taking responsibility.
11:42And, and so when I apply that like in other aspects of my life, like in the grief scenario, you know, how can I take responsibility?
11:52And, and so much of that was just opening myself to learning.
11:55And, and looking at things from a different perspective and and gaining a wider perspective, and then it just unfolded and, you know, became so expansive from there.
12:05I love that you said that too, looking at it from another perspective, like literally my book change your mind and change your reality.
12:10This is, this is what we teach, right?
12:12And it's so important because like I said, you always have a choice, and you can look at things, you can, the way you look at things changes the way that they feel inside of you, right?
12:25And Peace of mind can't be found in blaming others or outside events for your problems, right?
12:31And by the way, for listeners, I just want to make this point, like this is not people pleasing, like when, when Kerri said, like, even if it wasn't my fault, because you really create your own reality, right?
12:42You get to decide how you feel at any given moment and you get to choose happiness and you get to choose peace, and you really do have an imprint on everything that happens around you, right?
12:54Yeah, yeah.
12:55I love how well you articulate that.
12:57And I, I'm almost done reading your book.
12:59I'm down to the last chapter and everything are all, these are all the lessons that I was learning too, along, along my, my grief journey, really, which became my awakening journey.
13:09And, and,, Yeah, just, just,, you just said something and now I can't remember exactly what it was, but it sparked something for me,.
13:20Anyway, they'll come back.
13:21But yeah, just those, those incremental lessons first of like taking responsibility and then realizing that I have choices and I'm in control, and then realizing that I'm able to choose the thoughts that I'm thinking.
13:37That was like such a pivotal moment for me.
13:40And then that eventually led me to realizing Beyond that, I can become an observer of my thoughts and of my emotions and of my actions, and, and, and that perspective just kept getting wider and wider and and wider, and then, then, and then, you know, at some point you just kind of become consciousness, right?
14:01Your awareness.
14:03Goes from not having any awareness at all, sort of being a victim to becoming completely conscious and aware of everything and anything all at once, sort of thing.
14:14So, yeah, there's, there's, it's just, it's been such an amazing unfolding, and I'm so grateful for my grief in that regard.
14:22And I realized, I think one of the things that's been so interesting along this journey is that Grief has been my path, but everybody has their individual past that brings them to the same sort of places, and it's so wonderful to have these conversations to to learn about all the different avenues that people are arriving at this sort of same place.
14:43It's so interesting and by the way, I love everything you just said.
14:46I was like, yes, yes, yes.
14:47But it's so interesting that you said everyone comes from a different path and gets there, because most of my guests have been through a trauma of some sort, right?
14:59And they have come to that crossroads, where they can where they're like, OK, I can either stay a victim, I can just get caught up in this resentment, I can.
15:09Become angry and bitter, or I can heal and become better and, and take responsibility and level up and grow.
15:18And those are the stories that I love hearing, right?
15:21Those are the inspirational stories and it's so fun how so many of us have come to the same conclusions and You know, I love how you were talking about you can become an observer of your thoughts and you step back and pretty soon you are consciousness, like, it's so funny how we can get so unconscious and tied up in our thoughts and our emotions and they just control us, right?
15:41Like most people are going around 100% controlled by their thoughts and emotions, right?
15:47And it's just, they're like on these like hamster wheels.
15:51But we are so much more than that, right?
15:53It's, it's like this surface layer and we are so much deeper.
15:57OK, so you said something interesting.
15:59You said your grief was your awakening.
16:03So talk to me about how that was a spiritual awakening for you.
16:07And how did you, how did you come to become even more conscious because of this?
16:14, so it, you know, it's, there's been so many.
16:21Little things that have added up to this bigger experience.
16:24And initially,, like when Michael and I, we were dating, our relationship was really based in in spiritual conversations.
16:30And I think at the time he was quite awake and, and everything he said just resonated with me in such a deep way that I didn't even fully understand, but there's just like, you know, this sort of truth to to his understanding that that felt like just felt really Grounded when I when I heard him speak and so after he died.
16:52, anytime I would go into sort of a spiritual experience, whether it be yoga or meditation or something like that.
17:00He was there, that grief was so, so.
17:05Huge, you could say that it was too painful for me.
17:08And so I really withdrew from that spiritual part of myself because I didn't want to just feel that depth of grief in that experience.
17:17, like, for instance, going into yoga class.
17:21At the end of the class, there's always Shavasana, as you know, being a yoga teacher and and that stillness was always Just an an instant avenue to to grief.
17:37But what I've learned now that I've had the opportunity to sit with this more and be present with it is that It wasn't it, it felt like grief, but grief can be many, many emotions.
17:47It's not just sadness and it's not just pain, but it's also love and awareness and and all of these things and so.
17:56When I go into stillness and and I find him there.
18:01It's just that connection that is always there.
18:04And, and he's really been present for me all along this awakening experience.
18:10It's almost like,, you know, he's been dropping bread crumbs, and I've just been picking them up and, and learning about this piece and then learning about this piece and, and, you know, finding this teacher and finding this story and, and I've just been and just been following.
18:26All of these,, avenues of information and exploration and expansion,, just guided by spirit, essentially.
18:35And I'm, I'm so grateful now to be able to have that connection,, on that deeper level, because it's really dropped.
18:45The Illusion of separateness, you know, and, and I think,, as I've been able to experience it personally,, I've also been able to sort of look at it,, from that sort of philosophical perspective, I guess you could say, and, and like I've come up obviously with my own understanding of, of what has been happening, so that,, you know, I can hopefully share that with others to help them understand what's happening along their awakening experience, but it's very much been a lived experience for me,, just, just.
19:22Dropping again that that illusion of separateness of of me being an individual and separate from everything else that is.
19:31And one of the one of the big lessons and and what I feel so called to share is that You know, we, we are looking so often outside of ourselves for this sort of external validation or satisfaction when really when we're able to, to turn our awareness inwards, then we find that that lasting satisfaction or sense of fulfillment.
19:57That is within all of us, and again that that sort of returns us back to that idea of consciousness where we're just all connected and It really changes our relationship with,, you know, our external world, because we're no longer dependent on, on things outside of us for fulfillment.
20:16And we realize that that fulfillment that we're, we're receiving is, is just temporary, right?
20:21Again, like you said, the hamster wheel, we're just going around and around and around looking for the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
20:27And so once we're able to make that distinction,, it, it's really Fundamentally, you know, life changing, as you know, so, yeah, yeah.
20:38Yeah, that was so beautifully said.
20:40And, and also what a beautiful gift that you received from Michael through all of this, right, where he was leading you with these bread crumbs and you were able to reconnect with the spiritual side of you and that's even where it started.
20:54So that's, you know, and You know, so often.
21:00People will say like, I'm so sorry you went through that, right?
21:02But, and, and it's a horrible thing to go through.
21:06But you took it as a lesson and you learned and you grew from it and you awakened from it and it was this catalyst for growth from you and that's such a beautiful and powerful place to be now, right?
21:18So like, to have that distance and look back on it.
21:22And you know, I like that you were saying like grief is more than just like sadness, right?
21:26It can be so many emotions, it can be, it can be anger, it can be love, it can be all of these things like you were talking about, and it reminds me of the, the, what is it, the five stages of grief that we all go through.
21:38And I know that you write about the 5 stages of awakening as well.
21:42And I would love and, and you know, I didn't even make the connection until you were just talking, like, wow, this, this really is running in parallel for you, right?
21:51Because we go through these stages of grief.
21:53And as you were doing that, you were also going through these stages of awakening.
21:57So it's just like, it's just like another layer of this like beautiful synchronicity happening for you.
22:03But I'd love to hear about your five stages of awakening, right, that you see most people go through.
22:09Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:10So I, I call them the soul cells framework, and there are 5 markers that I've come up with,, to help kind of determine where I am at any point,, along what I sort of see as a spectrum.
22:25So at one end, there is the ego, and then at the other end is the soul.
22:31And so,, I like to use metaphors a lot when I'm explaining this, and so one of the one of the ways that I like to share it is is like.
22:43When you have a prism, and you shine light through a prism, the light comes out like a rainbow on the other side, and so we give, you know, each Color that we see emerge from the prism, a different name and like red, yellow, all those sorts of things.
23:02And so for me with the soul cells, it's like we take consciousness and shine it through the prism of our bodies.
23:09And what emerges is this, again, this spectrum of,, the 5, what I've labeled the five markers or stages, and the first one is the bodily self.
23:20, the second is the vital self.
23:22The 3rd 1 is the thinking self, the 4th is the observer self, and then the last one is the transcendent self.
23:30And so we can be Really rooted in one of these cells for a long time, or, you know, we can move from one to another and back again,, you know, within minutes or hours or days.
23:44And so we're always kind of moving along this spectrum.
23:47And, and one of the really interesting things that I've learned too is that we can be at different places in our awakening experience in different aspects in our lives.
23:56So For instance, I, I use the example, like I'm often still really rooted in my bodily self when it comes to,, money and prosperity, but,, I've also experienced like transcendent self-love.
24:10And so,, yeah, we can look at each aspect of our life and, and kind of determine where we fit into that, that into those markers.
24:21OK, first of all, I love the imagery of the prism of consciousness coming through.
24:25That's just such a beautiful image.
24:27And I really appreciate that not only are these not linear, right, like you can move back and forth because that takes a little bit of the pressure off because sometimes we're meditating for Hours and we're so enlightened and then the next day someone's cutting us off at traffic and we like, we forget it all right for a moment.
24:43And it happens and we're human.
24:44So, you know, if that's you, it's all of us, right?
24:47, or most of us.
24:49And then I also appreciate that you can.
24:54Be different levels of different aspects of your life that totally resonates because I, I hear that because we are on 3D Earth, right?
25:01And, and, you know, as someone who's also running a business, I that totally resonates with me.
25:07And again it it allows us to be human, a little bit, right?
25:11It's not like this pedestal that we're trying to put ourselves on that just feels really unreachable.
25:16, can you walk me through each of those five stages in a little bit more detail?
25:21Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
25:22, I, I want to say to you, like, it's really important to me to make the distinction that no stage is better than any other stage.
25:31Like wherever we are in this process is divine because it is essentially all that route, like that light of consciousness just spread out in in a spectrum.
25:41And so There's no destination.
25:43We're not all trying to get to the transcendent self because it feels better than being in the bodily self, but it does ultimately, the, the just the different the differentiation, I'm not saying that properly.
25:57Between them is, is just how we feel at any given, at any given stage.
26:01, so starting with the bodily self,, like we talked about earlier, often one of the things that I've noticed that really identifies being in the bodily self is that we're feeling like a victim and we're blaming other people.
26:14And,, essentially we're really rooted in our ego at this particular time.
26:18We don't have a great amount of awareness.
26:21We probably don't have really any self-awareness when we're in the bodily self.
26:25, we're operating from a place that is conditioned,, which is all totally normal.
26:31This is part of the human experience as, as, you know, we go, you know, from our childhood into adulthood, we pick up all these beliefs along the way.
26:39, we don't really question them necessarily in the bodily self.
26:43, we just are reacting to life.
26:47As it's coming at us.
26:49So when we moved then into the vital self,, This is when I say we start taking responsibility.
26:59So there's something that happens.
27:01, I've kind of identified 4 different areas that are vital self moments I call them.
27:07, the first one would be like a soul glance where you're maybe watching the sunset and you're, you know, you're so moved by the beauty of it that all of a sudden your soul can kind of like drop in and, and you have this, this really wonderful experience.
27:21, and those can happen all the time, you know, when we're doing art or dancing or listening to music.
27:26, then the next one, which is a little bit more,, a little more profound, I guess you could say would be peak experiences, and I, I borrow that word from,, Abraham Maslow.
27:36, and, and this is what I feel happened for me personally, when I first hugged Michael, it was like a peak experience where all of a sudden,, within that embrace, like, the whole sort of cosmic energy.
27:53You know, rushed through us and that was like this bright green flash and we kind of were removed from Reality and thrown into this sort of cosmic experience that was like everything everywhere all at once and and both of us were just sort of like wowed by what what had just happened.
28:12Maybe kind of like often could be referred to as like a kundalini awakening or or something along that line.
28:17, and then the next one, I call this identification is that's where Often you hear a lot of spiritual teachers talk about this where.
28:30They were so Incredibly rooted in their ego, so depressed or just like so traumatized and and in their thoughts, in their mind that their,, soul is essentially sort of had to step in and like kick the ego out.
28:48So all of a sudden, they went from this like incredibly heavy, sort of depressed place,, and it's like a, a switch flipped.
28:57And, and they lost that sense of identity altogether and they just went into sort of pure consciousness.
29:04So there was this, this sudden, you know, delineation of, of one to the other.
29:11And then the fourth one, which is a new understanding for me that I'm still sort of exploring is this idea of psychosis and often you hear people on their awakening journeys,, kind of being, Not fully disidentifying, but then kind of stuck between, somewhere between identifying and, and like having an ego and then somewhere having a soul experience.
29:37And it can be really disorienting and confusing and often and sadly,, you know, it's misdiagnosed or not caught because in, I think in the Western medical field specifically, this isn't necessarily,, A recognized sort of like path of awakening, but rather we medicate it and, and,, you know,, go into other sort of treatments that really sort of suppress what's going on.
30:04Anyways, that's a whole other story.
30:05But,, in terms of the vital self, it's, it's when you first have that, that glimpse that something needs to change, right?
30:12So then we move into the thinking self,, which is a lot of what I find your book describes so beautifully, and it's when we realize now we've got The ability to control our thinking and ability to choose our thoughts.
30:30And,, this is when we start exploring all the different modalities to, to do the healing, to do the work, to heal the trauma, and I mean, there's just so many different avenues,.
30:43That, you know, you might dabble in many of them or you might just pick one that is, it works really well for you to help move through all of the things that are surfacing as you're in this experience.
30:54, I've kind of grouped the modalities into three different groups.
31:01So,, the first one's,, energy awareness.
31:06So you're bringing your awareness to something maybe through breath work or,, yoga is sort of an overarching one, And then the, the second stage of or second sort of group of modalities is energy movement.
31:23So now you're getting that energy to move through your body and, and go in.
31:30Just, just sort of activating things and, and making things happen.
31:34And then the last is energy clearing, so you're actually moving that energy and transmuting it and, and, and moving it on.
31:40So,, yeah, there's, there's, this is a very like light skim over the surface of all of this, but,, just, yeah, anyway, then from the thinking self,, we move into the observer self which is essentially that is you become an observer.
31:58Now your perspective is stepping back again,, and you're just witnessing that you have these thoughts and you're witnessing how you're reacting in certain situations or responding and what your emotions are.
32:13, it's, I, I really, I'd love the observer self in the sense that it's It's so calming when you're able to be there, and I, I like to use the example of like those 3D images.
32:26I don't know if you remember them.
32:29They're obviously all over,, the internet now, but when I was younger, you could go to the mall and there'd be like a 3D poster and you'd stare at it and try and figure out what the image was.
32:39, and so, you know, you're looking at this image of all these different colors and shapes, and it's not entirely clear what it is.
32:46But then when you shift your perspective, just that right way, all of a sudden this image, you know, Just moves out from the poster and you're immersed in it and you can sort of move to the left, move to the right, up and down, and you can still see this 3D image and, and that's kind of how I feel when you, when you connect with that observer self part of you is There's just the subtle shift of perspective, the subtle shift of awareness, and you're interacting with yourself in an entirely different way, and it's, it's very peaceful, and there's a lot of grace and surrender and non-attachment.
33:25Those are sort of the, you know, terminology that I hear people use a lot when they're in the observer self.
33:30And then lastly,, we move into the transcendent self, and this is This is a tricky one to explain because When When we're in the transcendent self, when we're, you know, in consciousness, we're no longer in the mind, and so it's hard to use words that are created from our mind to explain something that is beyond the mind.
33:55But one of the Common experiences that I've heard people in various awakening situations describe this is that they No longer are using the terminology, I or me or they or them,, even like here or now, like these concepts of of space and time and individuality all just completely disappear.
34:24And, and there's just is no understanding of that that separation anymore because everything is connected in a in a way that It is really beyond our, our comprehension until you experience it.
34:39It's not something that you can just explain,, someone into, but you really have to have that experiential experience to, to understand it.
34:48But I think it is beautiful and, and like I said, you could go from the bodily self to the transcendent self, you know, in, in a split second and then back and, or, you know, you're taking very very small sort of incremental steps between each one and, yeah, there's no, there's no right or wrong.
35:07It's all there as a possibility, but.
35:10Yeah, what an amazing break.
35:12I really enjoyed listening to that.
35:15And as, as you were talking, I was trying to put my experiences to to different levels and, and just things I've read about like the the transcendent one reminded me of near death experiences that I've read, right?
35:26Because I've gone down those rabbit holes where it's like, you just feel this oneness with everyone and it's just pure love, right?
35:33And there's no anger, there's no resentment, there's no victim or blaming.
35:37It's just this connection.
35:40Wow, how powerful.
35:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:44Have you experienced all of these levels?
35:46I, I believe that I have.
35:47Yeah, absolutely.
35:48I think,, with the transcendent stuff, like I know that in my peak experience with Michael, that is what he shared with me.
35:58That was, you know, his gift to me was to have that.
36:02sense of unconditional love that just was and and could be and and the the separation between him and I, you know, just disappeared often when we were together,, but I've found a way, and it's not something that I can replicate as often as I would like, and, and I probably shouldn't even be trying to replicate it, but I think that's part of our journey as we try to get these experiences back.
36:27But I can actually do sort of like a talking meditation where I talk myself through each of these stages,, in terms of like self-love, and then I can, I can get to this place where I just sort of feel like I am a fountain of love that is just flowing, and I fill myself up first, and then I just can overflow with with love and just be in this really blissful state.
36:54You know, for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes.
36:59And, and when I'm there, I'm just reminding you, you know, this, this is the most powerful thing that I can do as a human being, is to just return to this state and hold it as long as I possibly can and just be present and, and overflow that love.
37:19And I noticed when, when I do that, Afterwards, The things that are In my awareness and what seems to be like attracted to me afterwards are all love, like, you know, there's love stories and you find heart-shaped rocks on the beach and and people are sharing quotes about love online and like my whole Experience with the external world completely changes, and, and I think that has Just reinforced that learning that you talk about in your book that like when you change your mind, the things around you change.
37:59And, and I'm in control of that.
38:01And so what I'm choosing to put my awareness on is what it's going to be reflected back to me.
38:06And so, Yeah, the more opportunities I can do that, the the more I benefit from that.
38:14And, and hopefully other people around me can benefit from that as well.
38:17Yeah.
38:18Well, that's the amazing thing, right?
38:19Because you're, you're rubbing off on the people around you and it creates this beautiful ripple effect, right?
38:26And, and I love that you said after these moments, there's just love everywhere you look, right?
38:34It's just, it's this tangible proof that our inner world creates our outer world.
38:38And I think a lot of people have have tapped into that state before.
38:42I know I have with certain meditations or like an acupuncture session that put me in this crazy, blissful state, or, you know, there's these moments that we, we understand that we're so much more than just this, right?
38:57This, this physical body.
39:00And And I think you're right that that is one of the most powerful things we can do in our human life is to find that, find that state where we are pure love and pure connected, because I don't know about you, but like for me after, I just felt like so, so much love for everyone around me too.
39:18I felt so connected.
39:19I remember like riding like bart after one like the the Bay Area raid the train here, after and.
39:25Just like feeling so like much love and connection for every single person around me, right?
39:29I wasn't like cranky with how overcrowded it was, or like, whatever.
39:34And, and instead, it was just like this like immense love for people.
39:38And, you know, like we talked about, we're human, those states don't stay, but it's just such a peaceful, wonderful place to get to.
39:47It really is.
39:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:49It's so beautiful.
39:49You described that so well.
39:51You took me there just listening to you.
39:54Yeah, pretty fantastic.
39:55And and I'd forgotten about that moment.
39:57So like you reminded me of like, oh, yeah, I have had those moments where I just felt this profound loving connection for people, for strangers, and it was like, oh, we're all one, we're all the same.
40:08Yeah, yeah, you know, it really expands your compassion to and and the, you know, work that you do on your own.
40:15, you know, repressed traumas and, and,, conditioning and all that, you just realize that, you know, we all have had these layers of our ego put on us and, and whether we understand that they're there or not.
40:30They're shaping, you know, the decisions that we're making and the conversations that we're having, and, and so it, it becomes so much easier to be compassionate for that person who, you know, may not understand what's going on and, and is reacting in a certain way.
40:46But, you know, you understand that they're, they've been conditioned to react that way, and,, They may or may not discover that that's a choice that they have to to change that sort of thing.
40:58So yeah, it's, it really changes your relationships and the dynamics of them too.
41:04Absolutely, and compassion is such a good word for it.
41:06And, and, and yeah, you have this understanding for people like they're just another soul, right?
41:12Like they're incarnated in this world just like you are, and I love it, the conditioning, like everything placed on top of them is just, it's not their essence of who they are.
41:25And who they are is really who you are too, right?
41:28Like you can't like.
41:31When you're fighting like the outside world, you're fighting yourself, right?
41:33When you're when you're having aggression towards another person or judgment or blame.
41:38That's really coming back at you because they're a reflection of you.
41:42Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I really appreciate you for just bringing all this up today, because we haven't had this kind of conversation, specifically on the podcast yet, and it's just such a good reminder to me as well that.
41:57Of those moments, right, of, of those, those moments and that feeling, and I think you, you said it well that you can't really put them into words.
42:05It's, it's such a feeling.
42:07Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:09I know.
42:09I'm so fascinated.
42:10I have to admit, because, because, you know, that's where the duality comes in.
42:14And, and words are part of the duality because they come from our mind, but we're experiencing something again that is beyond our mind.
42:23And so how do you describe something with words that,, isn't even It it's completely,, well, I shouldn't say separate from it because then we get into that whole dynamic again, but yeah, just that, just the sort of like.
42:37irony of it all is, it's so beautiful and delicious to me, totally.
42:42Yeah, it's just like another beautiful facet of this life, right?
42:46This beautiful experience called life.
42:48Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah.
42:50Yeah.
42:51So is there anything that you really want to share with people or leave people with today or something we haven't touched on that you think is important to talk about?
43:01Oh my goodness.
43:02, I think, I think one of the things that I go back to often is just this idea of challenging your beliefs because Our thoughts and I, I, I get this from Abraham Hicks, but Our thoughts that we keep thinking turn into our beliefs.
43:19And so when we realize that we can Choose the thoughts that we're thinking, then we can also Change the beliefs that we have.
43:28We're not.
43:31Our beliefs aren't fixed to who we are, you know, they, they make up our identity, but they are so malleable when you really start to like look at them and then fold them and, and so.
43:42To the just this idea of challenging your beliefs often, I think is is a really good way of Sort of beginning to question who you are and and opening yourself up to this, you know, incredible expansion that is available to all of us.
43:58Yeah.
43:59Well, you know, you're speaking my language when you talk about challenging your beliefs, and I, I say this in the book too, but It it's still like just blows my mind that if you look up the word belief in the thesaurus, one of the antonyms for it is truth.
44:13So literally the opposite of belief is truth.
44:16And if you think about it, like, like you said, our beliefs come from other people's opinions or our own thoughts or are based on our lived experiences, right?
44:25But None of that is truth, right?
44:30It's all our own opinion or the opinions of others.
44:33So really, our beliefs are lies that we tell ourselves.
44:36And like you so perfectly said, like we form our identities around these lies, and then you become so fixed in this one way of looking at things when really, there could be a completely other perspective on any given situation that would completely open you up to this new reality and change your life.
44:54So, thank you for bringing that up.
44:56I really, really appreciate that.
44:58, OK, I'm sure everyone wants to get more nuggets of truth from you.
45:04They want to hear about your book.
45:05So where can people find you?
45:07How do they connect with you?
45:08What are you working on, all the things.
45:09Yeah, yeah, so my website carryscott.com is.
45:14The best way to get more information about the Soul cells framework, I have on there a quiz which is specifically for the Soul Cells framework,, and it's a really fun little short quiz that when you take it,, it's going to tell you kind of overarching like where you fit in that spectrum, like what soul self you're sort of read or like spending the most time in at any given time, and then it goes into a little bit more detail about that.
45:37, specific so sals and then you can look at all the other ones.
45:41So if anybody's interested,, that is a great way to learn more about that framework in particular.
45:46, and then I am currently,, working on my first solo book, which, as you mentioned earlier, is,, Buddha's Closet, Cleaning as a Path to Enlightenment, and it's just a, again a playful.
46:02Look at the relationship between fashion and spirituality, and,, I, I, as I mentioned earlier, I love using metaphors to sort of help explain a lot of these spiritual experiences and and teachings.
46:14And so,, I took fashion metaphors in this case and tried to apply them, or I shouldn't say try, I applied them to spiritual,, and and then do a parallel between like Cleaning out our closet and cleaning out our mind.
46:29So each item of clothing in our closet really represents a thought that we're thinking and you know, are we going to put that back in our closet or is it time to maybe move it on?
46:38So that's,, we'll be out in mid-June, so really excited to share that with everybody.
46:44And we all know how good it feels to just shed old clothing and clean out like spring cleaning, so imagine applying that to your mind.
46:51, and you were so sweet as to send me a copy of the book, so I'm really excited to start reading it and write you a little endorsement.
47:00So,, everyone, go take that quiz.
47:03I'm going to go take that quiz.
47:04It sounds really fun.
47:06Go check out Kerrie.
47:08Buy her book when it's out, and if this episode resonated, like, share, comment, subscribe, send this to someone you think could benefit from it.
47:19And I think everyone could benefit from this information.
47:22So thank you so much again, Carrie.
47:23It was really wonderful having you on.
47:25I appreciate your time.
47:26Thank you, listeners.
47:27Have a beautiful rest of your day, everyone.