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0:59Hi, I'm Kris.
1:01When I was younger, I went through trauma that caused me to feel broken and lost.
1:05But my life changed after I had a spiritual awakening.
1:09Since then, I've dedicated my life to studying and learning from masters all around the world that have helped me to create a life of fulfillment and abundance beyond my wildest dreams.
1:18Now I'm dedicated to sharing everything I've learned so that you don't have to suffer for decades like I did.
1:24I've seen people's lives completely transformed, and I share it all right here.
1:31All right, so I'm so excited to have my guest today with me.
1:35I have Elizabeth Kit.
1:37So, Elizabeth is a stress management and historical trauma specialist who uses trauma trained and yoga-informed addiction recovery coaching, ancestral clearing, compassionate inquiry, and yoga to help people with their healing.
1:53Elizabeth healed from over 40 years of chronic pain, including anxiety, panic attacks, and addiction.
1:59She now guides others to unleash their healing power, find freedom from suffering, and live a thriving life.
2:06She's the bestselling author of The Way Through Chronic Pain, Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power.
2:11So welcome, Elizabeth, I'm so happy you're here.
2:13Well, thank you so much, Kris.
2:15It's great to be here.
2:17So I always start my episodes the exact same way.
2:20And that is by asking my guests to share their origin story.
2:25So what is it that led you to become the healer that you are today?
2:30Oh, well, I really two things.
2:33My, my mother was an undiagnosed and untreated sufferer of bipolar disorder.
2:40, and, alcoholic.
2:43, very unpredictable behavior on a daily basis, I kind of grew up with that, And that created a lot of stress in my body.
2:57I learned to be quiet and and.
3:01Not express my emotions, so that's a recipe for chronic pain right there.
3:05And by the way, chronic pain is any pain that's felt, 15 days out of 30 for 3 months or more.
3:11Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, the body can't tell the difference.
3:15It all sends the same central to the brain.
3:17It hurts, right?
3:20So, history of, of chronic pain, suffering, as a child, and then I had an accident when I was 14 and broke a vertebra at the base of my spine, the 5th lumbar.
3:33Right above the sacrum, and it broken, that bone broke into two, split in two, front and back and the front part slipped forward.
3:43And I live with that with a with a slight with that slight slip about a 25% slip for 14 years and finally I needed surgery and so we Followed 4 different surgeries followed to try and stabilize that slip, and by that time, by the time we had the 4, the last surgery was 80% slipped.
4:07So basically, they, they built a a metal bunch of rods and, and, and screws and stuff around that and, and stabilize it, which was amazing.
4:18But every time I had surgery, I went into that whole experience with chronic pain, and every time I Had surgery, the pain got worse, and there was a lot of their solution was opiates and benzodiazepines is the best quality of life that I could that I could live.
4:37My background was in science, and I, and I, they kept telling me I would never get better and that, that all I, I, I'd have to be on drugs for the rest of my life.
4:46And I, because of my background.
4:49I knew Or I felt very strongly that they were telling me more about their model, the model, the medical model they were working under, and not, not about the body's ability to heal.
5:02So that was kind of a premise that kept me going for I was on all the medication for 31 years before I, Finally found a doctor who understood the nature of kind of pain that could detox me off all those medications.
5:17And because I kept hearing this.
5:20You, you'll never get better from chronic pain, and I met thousands of other patients in all that time, right, in hospital, doctors' offices, rehab centers, all that stuff, that heard the same thing.
5:33Oh, when I finally healed, I was like, I'm gonna get out and get the message.
5:38I'm gonna send the message that you can actually heal from chronic pain.
5:42And we have more integrated doctors and a better understanding of the brain and what chronic pain does to it, and how to, how to, heal the changes that happen in the brain as a result of chronic pain, opiates and benzodiazepines do not do that.
5:58So, I really wanted to dedicate myself to helping people heal from the chronic pain experience, which includes addiction.
6:07People, people are trying to, heal from addiction and trying to heal that are in recovery already, but have this chronic pain elements, yeah.
6:19Thank you so much for sharing your story.
6:22I think, unfortunately, so many people can relate.
6:26I was just reading, they did a study and only 5% of the world's population are not suffering pain or illness, like they have quote unquote perfect health, which is pretty mind blowing, and 31 years is a long time to be on medication like that.
6:43So how did you finally heal?
6:47You know, it's the darndest thing.
6:48I, I went into, to Doctor Peter Prepscott.
6:51I'm gonna grab his book into this guy's program at the Betty Ford Center, Peter Prescott.
6:58He wrote this book, Conquer Chronic Pain and Innovative Mind Body Approach.
7:01He passed away in 2016, but he left us this beautiful book.
7:05I went into this program in 2013.
7:09And there were 20 other people like me in the program at the time, not with quite the length of this kind of unusual, the length that I was under, but they, they might have 5 or 10 years on opiates, so that's still opiates and benzos, Now that was interesting to me that I was running into that many other people that were trying to detox.
7:29And he detoxed me.
7:30It took me about 10 days and just to kind of detox from that and just in terms of just in a bed, you know, the body dealing with all that, and then I was able to get up and It took about, I don't know, 3 years to detox off of all those, the benzo, the effect of the fallout of the benzos in my body.
7:52Anyway, I went into that program.
7:54I walked in there with 40 years of chronic pain, and I walked out.
7:5952 days later with no pain.
8:02And he never promised that.
8:05He never promised that.
8:07He just said he could help me reset my stress response.
8:10And it, when I talked to him before I went into the program, and he said he could help me detox off the meds.
8:15And at that point, I was like, I don't care about the pain.
8:19The meds are killing me, and I'm having panic attacks.
8:22which the benzos were causing, and he would, he said he could reset that and I'm sold, I'm coming, right?
8:28But he never said the pain would go away, but it did, and he had a 94% success rate in that program with people walking out of his program.
8:37With this history of chronic pain and and walking out with none of it.
8:41That was amazing.
8:42Yeah.
8:42That is amazing.
8:43That's absolutely amazing.
8:44That's exactly the word I would use for it too.
8:47So what is it that he did?
8:48Was it energy healing?
8:50What like, what, what's the main idea behind his modality?
8:54Oh, well, really anything, he did a lot of things that was holistic.
9:00He did a number of things to help us.
9:05As I said, reset the stress response.
9:10So, just as a quick back we'll back up for just a moment.
9:15Normally in a in a healthy person.
9:18We have a, a stress response that goes on when we are, are, are under threat or perceived threat.
9:26Stress response goes on.
9:28We have a physiological reaction to that, and then when we deal with it, threat goes away, stress response goes into the off position.
9:36That's normal.
9:38In chronic pain, the stress response gets stuck in the on position.
9:44Now we're talking about chronic stress.
9:47, which is the body isn't made for that.
9:51We're just, it's caustic to the body.
9:53It's really it's quite toxic.
9:55So, so you can imagine the amount of healing that people are having to do When they're suffering from that, right?
10:05So he brought in things that helped us reset the stress response.
10:10One of them was just simple breath work, but targeted.
10:16Long deep breathing in a kind of a regular fashion to help us get regular instead of all over the place, chaotic, which happens in the brain because of chronic pain.
10:28So regular targeted long deep breathing.
10:31It doesn't sound that complicated, but the effect on the nervous system.
10:36It is amazing.
10:37So just as a for the listeners that aren't in chronic pain that are listening to this.
10:43The mind follows the breath.
10:48So I know during my day.
10:51When my mind starts getting, it kind of jumping, I know that my breath.
10:58It is also not normal.
10:59It's gone erratic or shallow, right?
11:02So I know to bring in a long deep breath.
11:05So that, that's kind of a general principle.
11:08so he started right at the nervous system level.
11:11he had us do qigong, again, some energy healing modality, but also physical, and, also has breath involved.
11:20he had us do meditation beyond the breath meditation.
11:23, he had us do, we did adversity therapy to deal with the, the, all of us had tra trauma, unresolved trauma, that, and he helped us clear that.
11:34And he brought an ancestral clearing, John Newton, he brought John Newton in, of Health Beyond Belief with his ancestral clearing modality that addresses the, it's the burden of the past, but it includes the burden of the past from the lineage.
11:50And that was very powerful.
11:52, also we had a, you know, we had a good diet.
11:56they kept us well hydrated, so we addressed the nutritional part of it.
11:59, I, I, I think, and also we did it in, in groups.
12:04So we did the adversity therapy.
12:06He did that not just one on one.
12:08He did it in the whole, he'd have the whole class.
12:11Each person would work through whatever their thing was, and then he'd help us rescript that event to, to make it more empowering, and then all the group would come in and support.
12:22So, the community was another aspect.
12:27Yeah, thanks for running me through all that, like, everything you said I was nodding.
12:31I was like, yeah, I've heard about that or I've tried that, or like, like you said, some of these things are so simple, but they're so powerful.
12:43So can you just give a little bit, I know you kind of touched on it, but a little bit of background for listeners on nervous system and how that kind of ties into the stress response with chronic pain.
12:57Sure, I, I think that the entry point I'd like to bring in is this, cause I could, I could, you know, I, I could do a couple of hours on this, but I, I, I'll bring it from this angle.
13:08There's an intimate connection.
13:11Between the brain and a long exhale.
13:15And when we have a long exhale.
13:18It sends a signal to the nervous system, and the brain and the nervous system.
13:24That it's safe to calm down.
13:27So it's a calming signal.
13:29And in chronic pain, what are we?
13:31We're hypervigilant.
13:32We've developed a habit.
13:34This is how we do life.
13:35We do life by being stressed.
13:38It's addictive, actually.
13:40It's a pattern that, boy, I, I, I, I, you know, you talked about 5% not being, only 5% being well.
13:48I wonder how many people in the United States or in the Western world don't, are, are, are, are free of a stress pattern.
13:57Right, a stress habit like that.
13:59Right?
13:59So, the nervous system not only responds to a long exhale, you gotta do it, you gotta do long deep breathing with that.
14:07Exhale is long or longer than the inhale for about 3 minutes for the nervous system to get the message.
14:15But I think the thing is, is that when the stress response is on this, it's not just on the on position.
14:24The brain Has these things in it called neurons, which are these connections that that that are made.
14:31It's it's kind of the.
14:35Well, it's how information is sorted out and and and passed and then transmitted in the brain.
14:40, there are these little cells and we make, we make networks of them.
14:46And There it was discovered.
14:50, when brain science kind of first got started, that neurons that wire together fire together.
14:59So, like events tend to be in the same network, and then, when that network gets stimulated by an external event or maybe an internal event, then the whole network goes off.
15:16So isn't that interesting?
15:18So if I have a history of Somebody yelling at me and I didn't do anything wrong, right.
15:28And I, and I, and, and I don't feel safe, right?
15:32I, in my, in my brain, I have a network in there around.
15:38Being hyper vigilant because I'm, I don't feel safe.
15:41All the things that don't make me safe, that what that, sorry, that's not the things that are making me, I'm making the meaning, right?
15:49All the things that I perceive as not safe go into that network and when I come into one of them.
15:56The whole network's going off.
15:58That's powerful to know.
16:01The other thing is, the more the network gets used, the faster and quicker and more powerfully it it it it fires.
16:12So now, I've just described what a habit is.
16:17And I've just described an aspect of how that habit, a stress habit is created in the brain.
16:24So when we're healing, We have to start doing practices that Keep us we're feeling safe, right?
16:34So that long deep breath, and we have to practice it a lot.
16:39So that we're building a new neural net in the brain.
16:43And we become, what you might say, attenuated to the stressors that used to, that used to, fire that old network, they don't affect us so much anymore because we've got, we're, we're referencing a new network, but it takes practice.
16:59It you have to repeat cause you've got all this history and this old habit, you have to build a new one and build new history, right?
17:07Does that answer your question?
17:09Yeah, I love everything that you just shared.
17:11I it absolutely answered my question.
17:14So besides deep breathing, how do we start to unwind our nervous system and reprogram our brain a little more or as far as like the modalities you teach?
17:25Well, this is why I teach yoga, and I teach, I specialize in the trauma and formed part of it, So we, we end up being, Traumatized, we experience trauma in unsafe relationship.
17:46So we heal in safe relationship.
17:49And there's kind of a hierarchy to healing, We have to feel safe first, then we need a sense of belonging, and then we can learn.
17:59But you'll you'll kind of notice like if you were a child in in class when you're little and you know, you're trying to learn something, and the teacher starts getting angry.
18:12And and now, now you're not even able to you so you now you've been, you've been plucked out, you've been your attention has been The teacher has put their attention on you and pulled you as some kind of example cause they're mad, right?
18:28As you're not in the group anymore, you're now separate from the group, you're not like everybody else.
18:33And now, You can't learn because now you're hypervigilant.
18:38You don't feel safe cause you've been, you've been targeted.
18:40And I've actually been on the, on the firing end of that, or I've seen other students be on the firing end of that.
18:47So it's just a small example, but it's very powerful and real, probably to almost everybody in the audience is maybe unfortunately, has probably experienced that somewhere in their education.
18:59Yeah, it reminds me of Joe Despensa's work a little bit where he teaches that when your body's in that hyper aware fight or flight state, it's time for an emergency, right?
19:10You're like in an emergency zone, and it's not time to learn.
19:15Yeah, that's true.
19:16And but and but Mark, Dr.
19:18Mark Perry, showed us that that there's this order.
19:23Right, there's a, you gotta feel safe first, then you need a sense of belonging.
19:30Back to yourself, to others, like safe relationships, so safety and relationship, and then we can learn.
19:36So we need these three components, which I thought was very interesting from an education point of view to try and if we could incorporate that into the education model.
19:50And maybe most teachers know it.
19:51I don't know.
19:52I've never been educated.
19:54I've never gone through training in college for education, but I'm just saying like the education I had.
20:02Some of those teachers didn't learn that.
20:05Oh my gosh, I know.
20:06I have a 5 month old and I can't tell you how often I think about all of this.
20:11Like, our education system is so broken, and I wish they taught how to heal yourself and how to meditate and yoga and all of these things in school for kids and didn't just kind of put them through.
20:25The classroom and make them sit still so that they could be better workers when they, when they grow up.
20:30It's it's a tough thing.
20:32The meditation is, is really important, and I've seen in some, it could be, why?
20:38Because it helps quiet the mind.
20:40And a mind that's under chronic stress or chronic pain, pick your description, your label, it's chaotic.
20:49Hm, I can't think straight.
20:51I don't remember what I just did.
20:52Also, there's an emotional, a very strong, emotional negative, which could be at others or ourselves or both.
21:00So meditation cuts through that signal.
21:06But when you're talking about somebody like us where where there's this underlying stressor.
21:15You really can't tell them to sit still because now because the nervous system reads.
21:24Danger as run, fight or shut down.
21:29So if you're if you've got a a a student who's restless, and you tell them to sit still and meditate, Now you've maybe put them in a place where where where they're scared.
21:43So, now they're not gonna learn anything, and there's no way they're gonna meditate.
21:47So, I take people because I focus on this area.
21:51I take people through a moving meditation with a little music, so that there's some, there's a little, I mean, I'm not, they don't get up and walk around, although we could do a walking meditation, that's fine.
22:01But we do a little bit of music and chanting as a way to get the body used to sitting still, gently.
22:10Right?
22:11So meditation's a huge tool.
22:13Again, the ancestral clearing, I was just shocked at how powerful that was.
22:22The, and also, as I said, safe community.
22:25We, we need, we're social creatures.
22:29We need to be social, and we need to be socially safe socially.
22:35Right?
22:35These things all help to reprogram the nervous system.
22:40They all work together and they give they give, they're giving cues to the nervous system, the vagus nerve, the 10th cranial nerve, which goes into the It goes into the face, the ears, it goes down into the throat, and down into all the organs, and it's our threat assessment and social engagement system.
23:02So when it's activated.
23:05, it's in that, it's in that contends to be disregulated.
23:10It's not feeling safe when it's activated that way.
23:14Sometimes it's activated just because, you know, well, now I'm working, right?
23:18So I'm, I'm alert.
23:19But there's a difference between being alert and being alert because you're hypervigilant.
23:25You're looking for a thread all the time.
23:27There's a difference, right?
23:29And also, there's that, there's that, social engagement aspect where you and I right now, our nervous systems are talking to one another.
23:40Your vagus nerve and my vagus nerve are talking to one and assessing, is she safe?
23:46And we are, and so we're called, we're what we call co-regulating.
23:50We're helping to, we're helping each other regulate our nervous systems.
23:54And this is what parents do for children.
23:56For little ones, because they're for really little ones, they don't know how to regulate their emotions.
24:03So they have tantrums and they have whatever they're, you know, so they you have a 55 month old, so you know exactly what I'm talking about.
24:11So our the stability in our nervous system, the regulation in our nervous system.
24:17Helps them co-regulate.
24:19We, we, we, we help them find their way, which is why we have to do the best we can to be.
24:26, generative with our kids and not, punishing, punishing, which I, I had a punish, I had the punishment, so I, I had to kind of figure out how to do that by myself.
24:38Not easy.
24:39Well, but if I may say, everything that you went through led to you being the amazing healer that you are today, right?
24:46No, no, no, you know, that's just, you know, and, and I look back and at the at the.
24:54At the life my mother led and, and I, I, I have to tell you, Kris.
24:59When I learned about my own genetics, cause, you know, when I learned about that, I was and I and I knew a little bit about my mother's history, I realized she didn't have a shot coming out of the womb.
25:11Just because of like all the stuff that she had to deal with culturally, genetically, epigenetically, the, the kind of the momentum of the past kind of, she, wow, and she didn't have tools.
25:24So, a lot of, a lot of kind of amazement that she made it as long as she did, as well as she did, actually.
25:31Yeah.
25:31Yeah, so I think that's a perfect segue into talking more about this generational trauma or what the ancestral clearing.
25:40So talk to me a little bit more about that, because we can inherit trapped emotions or repressed emotions or baggage from our parents and our grandparents and even generations back, right?
25:53Oh, sure, yeah, I was, I was the kind of the easiest way to, explain it really is, or one way is that when, when your mother was pregnant, when your grandmother was pregnant with your mother.
26:10At the 4 month mark.
26:13Your mother developed all the eggs she was ever gonna have.
26:17So now, the egg that was you is sharing space with your mother and your grandmother for 5 months.
26:25And so what does that mean?
26:27So that means Whatever your mother and grandmother are experiencing in their lives.
26:37Maybe there's some scarcity, maybe there's abundance.
26:39Maybe there's, maybe there's a lack of safety, maybe there's lots of safety, right?
26:44See, you're experiencing that in the womb.
26:49So, and we're, you know, this is I know this sounds a little bit woo woo, but this is actually science.
26:57So you epigenetically, this is a this is environmental epigenetic.
27:03So there's there's DNA which is, which is the like the computer, right?
27:10The, the epigenetic part is the software on the computer.
27:15And depending on the environment, what software we put on the computer, that's what the computer puts out, right?
27:22So, depending on the environment that we're that we're developing in, that affects, it affects us.
27:30So I'm just gonna leave everybody right there.
27:34To just kind of take a breath, cause that's a lot.
27:38And now I'm gonna take you one more step.
27:41Your grandmother spent time in her grandmother.
27:46And on down the line.
27:48And now we've got a thread, a true thread from way back, you know, as far as you want to to to the present.
27:57And now we're beginning to understand at least epigenetically, how these things are and I could talk about this for a couple hours, but that I'm, I'm keeping it, you know, kind of focused.
28:08did that make sense?
28:09Do you have any questions about what I just No, it totally, it, it makes sense and I appreciate the actual.
28:17Reality that we are eggs in our mother's womb inside our grandmother, because I think it's hard for people to grasp this idea of generational trauma or emotions being passed down, but it makes a lot of sense.
28:33If someone has an emotion vibrating through their body of anger or grief or fear, of course, that's going to affect us, because it's all energy, right?
28:46So So how do you, and you've talked a lot about epigenetics, and I love talking about epigenetics, you heard me say in the beginning of the show, it's spirituality, personal development and science and epigenetics and quantum physics and neuroscience and all of that is what I love to geek out on.
29:01So, you know, just for listeners who are maybe freaking out a little bit right now, that, oh my gosh, this wasn't in my control, like what you teach and what a lot of healers teach is that we can change those genes by changing both the external and internal environment, right?
29:16Like nothing is permanent, it's all adaptable, is that correct?
29:20Yeah, so, you know, we could, we could really go there, The present moment Is this very powerful.
29:30are often just not recognized as how powerful it is space.
29:36The quantum physicists have really helped us understand this because they tell us that we can access past, present, and future all at once through the present moment.
29:47Isn't that interesting?
29:50Yeah.
29:51Wild, yeah.
29:52That tells me.
29:54That Even though I have the momentum of the past.
30:00Carried into my presence.
30:04It's possible all things are happening in this present moment, so the shift is happening here.
30:10We don't heal in the past or the future, we heal here, right?
30:15And the cell, the atoms in the cell.
30:20are appearing and disappearing, you know, every fraction of a second.
30:26And so, isn't that interesting?
30:29Where there's a lot happening in the present moment and nothing is actually fixed.
30:36There it's just a lot of potential and possibility.
30:40In science, there's no such thing really as facts.
30:43There's probabilities.
30:46It's about that.
30:47So when you understand the power of what I just said, You can understand how all these different modalities that you teach and I teach, and that others teach, how they actually help us shift.
31:03The momentum of the past into something new.
31:09I really appreciate that explanation as someone who geeks out about quantum physics, especially because, you know, we have experiments in it like the delayed choice experiment literally proves that what you do in the present can change the past.
31:23And we've all heard that time isn't really linear, it's all happening at once and it's fluid.
31:29And the way that you just outline that, just like put it into such a digestible.
31:37Perspective.
31:38So that's, that's really cool.
31:41So how do you go about helping clear out these, what do you, how do you do the ancestral healing?
31:48Yeah, so ancestral clearing is actually a an energy modality that was pioneered by Howard Wills and is taught by John Newton.
31:59It's a trademarked and registered modality, And I'm one of John's practitioners.
32:07And he, as I said, he was, he was with Doctor Peter in the, in the treatment program.
32:11I was like, in the pain management program.
32:13I was like, this is amazing.
32:16So I took the first training I could out of, out of when I got out of that program.
32:22and I've been, I've been in the work I teach, I've been a practitioner ever since.
32:26So, the way we do this, is we're actually.
32:34Asking We're recognizing we have an issue.
32:39Right?
32:40And we're we're actually asking source, Creator, God, consciousness, whatever you wanna call the unified field, whatever you wanna call it that created all of this, we ask it to help us release that which no longer serves us.
33:00And that's a reference to this, the momentum of the past that's, acting in a, in a way that no longer serves us in this moment.
33:12And we access the present moment when we do the practice.
33:15And I can, and we have about 30 different ways we can actually access, get at the burden, but I can take you through one, that'd take maybe a minute and a half.
33:24Love that, please.
33:26Everybody, listening here, if you could just Drop into the body, notice what you're feeling.
33:34What sensations are arising?
33:37So I feel my sitting bones on the chair and my feet on the floor, and I could feel a little bit of heat in my upper chest.
33:46I have a little bit of heat in the back of my throat.
33:49And I'd say it's about in a in a giving it a a a number from 0 to 10 of intensity, I'd say it's about a 2.
33:59So you do everyone listening do that for yourself and then just stay present in the breath.
34:06Breathing normally And then just let these words pass over you.
34:12Higher power, Creator, holy Father, great spirit, divine mother, infinite one, oneness.
34:21You are known by many names, yet you are one.
34:24We ask humbly and gratefully for us and all our ancestors and all their relationships through all space, time to mention realms, lifetimes, and incarnations for all sickness and the ensuing grief and suffering, for the times we stood powerless and unable to ease the pain of our loved ones.
34:42For survivor guilt, survivor's guilt in plagues and pandemics that swept through our lives and our communities, please help us all forgive one another and forgive ourselves.
34:54Please and thank you for misunderstandings, disputes, arguments, fights that broke out, and resulting injuries, whether intentional or unintentional, and for all the guilt any one carried because of it.
35:07For every raid, assault, incursion, battle, war, and holocausts, and for all the angst, the betrayals, the fierce anger, and any guilt we felt because of these actions, or guilt that others felt because of our actions.
35:21For all resolved unresolved resentments enduring aversions, loathing and outright hate that erupted and continued unrelentingly intergenerationally.
35:31Please help us all forgive one another and forgive ourselves once and for all, no matter what it was.
35:38Please and thank you for all secrets, hidden packs, and for times we were sworn to silence under duress, for any abuse, slavery, torture, or any other injustice and all that arose in the lineage because of these events.
35:53Including physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual illness, please help us all forgive each other and forgive ourselves.
36:00Please and thank you.
36:02Please help us release one another and release ourselves, find peace with one another and find peace with ourselves once and for all, now and forever.
36:12Please and thank you.
36:14Please and thank you.
36:16Please and thank you.
36:18And just take a nice breath in and let it out, and notice how that feels.
36:35So the thing that I noticed before was my jaw was feeling really tight and it's feeling, it's feeling more relaxed now.
36:43Yeah, isn't that interesting.
36:44Yeah, yeah, I was not looking for any of this when I first got exposed to this.
36:49I, I had no idea what was coming and I I felt I felt a shift and the people in the room felt a shift and none of us, I was sitting there with my side hat out going on.
37:04I know, I know something just happened in this room.
37:06What the hell was it?
37:09And is it miserable?
37:10And can you repeat it?
37:12And does he teach it?
37:14I was just, I was just, yeah, that's where I went with it cause I was so So surprised.
37:21So I, I, you know, when we ask.
37:24They all it is for help, we, we, we get it.
37:28So I, can I ask?
37:31Well, number one, does, if we want to do this on ourselves, do we need to say that whole prayer, or is the fact that like we're listening to you saying it enough and then to Is it like each time something physical happens, we go through this process where we say the prayer or come to you and you say it, or did that kind of clear out a whole bunch of junk?
37:56Oh, well, I, I feel like it works on all levels as far as For the highest good of the people listening.
38:05So, you know, and, and yoga we say there's 5 energy bodies, including the physicals just one of them.
38:12And you can't separate.
38:16one from the other, so it's all being affected, so that's the whole thing, the whole shit match being affected.
38:21, And the other question was, yes, you can listen to the prayer.
38:29, we're, we're asking.
38:32, creator.
38:34, to forgive whatever it is we're carrying.
38:40For us, for all versions of us, for our relationships and and all of our ancestors and their relationships, whatever the thing is we want to release.
38:50And then we we do it with with gratitude and humility.
38:55That's basically the practice, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of different ways to get at the burden and, and it's a very interesting process to kind of work one on one or in groups.
39:07I do group work too.
39:10so it it there's Yes, you can do the work yourself, but having a practitioner will maybe get it burden that you weren't able to see or access, yeah.
39:22Totally, it's, it's interesting.
39:24I, I've been to other healers before and right now I just read the emotion code.
39:29I don't know if you've read that.
39:30I'm reading the body code, and I've been working with a practitioner in it.
39:34And when I release things, the two things that my body does is yawn a lot and like want to stretch, and I've just yawned like 6 times and I'm like, I, I had to tell you because A, I don't want you to think I'm like being rude or bored.
39:46Like, it's like, I'm definitely releasing something right now.
39:49It's, it's, it works.
39:52I can feel it.
39:53It's really amazing.
39:55It's quite, it's quite remarkable.
39:56I've got some clients that yawn up for 50 minutes.
39:58They're just, you're getting there you go again.
40:01Yeah, it's, it's, and others, others will, you know, cough, and there's all all kinds of ways, different ways the body releases.
40:10so it's, it's kind of interesting, you know, if I had a, like I just had, I, unfortunately, I had a, I had, had to take a run of penicillin.
40:20So I'm now rebuilding my microbiome.
40:23So I'm, I'm running ancestral clearing prayers for boundary violations, right?
40:28That, that was right, right?
40:30That, that would be an example, and any kind of dysregulation in the family, lineage, any disease, those kinds of things, and I think that led up to it, so.
40:42I could do a clearing around that, but if I sat in front of a practitioner and brought this in.
40:48So she would probably be bringing in things I couldn't see cause we have all hot blind spots.
40:53So, if that makes sense.
40:55It does, and, and that's why I like going to practitioners too, because we don't know what we don't know, and they're trained to tap into this universal energy.
41:05So I guess that's a good segue into another question like, There's probably a simple answer that I'm thinking of, but how does someone know they need an ancestral clearing?
41:15Oh, I love that question.
41:17Yeah, so.
41:19I, I have a lot of, I have a number of people, maybe not the majority, but probably about half, that come to me and say, I have this thing and it's not mine.
41:32So they, they, there, there's, there's a something happening there.
41:37Now I, I, I'm sure that Richard Schwartz and his internal family systems would have something to say about parts work there.
41:44That would be that would be interesting.
41:48But that part may be referencing the past.
41:52That's in the lineage.
41:54So, Whatever we're carrying in the present moment.
41:58It it came from the past because the present moment is a blank slate.
42:02So, our mores, our beliefs, our our kind of the weight that we carry, the the our attitudes, all those things are have have been imprinted from the past.
42:17And so, as I said, the present moment.
42:21It's a blank slate unless you bring in the past with it.
42:28Right.
42:29I I don't think I answered your question.
42:31I, I love what you said so much.
42:34I don't even remember what my question was now because I love your answer so much.
42:38And it, it's, it reminds me of something that I teach that.
42:44You know, everything is our own perceptive perception, right?
42:49Like our own choice, we see things through the lens of whatever it is that we've been up to before that, right?
42:56Our belief system, the belief system piled on top of us and seeing a blank slate, like I'm picturing like an empty chalkboard for some reason in my head, and it totally makes sense.
43:07That most people bring all that junk with them, right?
43:11That that chalkboards just filled with scribbles and drawings.
43:17Because, because we're human, right?
43:20Like we, we take things personally or things are laid on top of us or this generational trauma.
43:24So I'm assuming the answer, I guess I would just remember the original answer the original question was, how does someone know that they need this work?
43:31And the answer is probably like most people need this work, right?
43:35Oh, most people need this work, but I, as I said, like, oh, I have this thing I do.
43:41I don't feel like it's mine, or I have this thing I do, it keeps showing up and I don't understand why that kind of thing, which which is something in their past is, is, is infringing, you know, is, is, is has the momentum in the in the present.
43:57So think of it, think of it like you like the physics part.
44:00So I, I, I think of it this way.
44:02So, the past has momentum, just like we were talking about the habit of stress has momentum.
44:09So every object in motion stays in motion until acted on by an equal or opposite force.
44:16So whatever our patterns is or whatever we're up to, or it's gonna stay, we're gonna keep repeating that until we come in with a modality or some sort of something that's going to help shift that with an equal or opposite force that's gonna help shift that trajectory.
44:33So that's bringing it down kind of in the science.
44:36And the science part, We do have people who Come in with like issues with their mom or having a, you know, I, I just don't understand why I have so much trouble with my father.
44:53And it's it's what's interesting is when we get in the ancestral clearing process, it's not about the mother or the father.
44:59It's about something way back in the lineage that connected in the thread comes into it.
45:05That it comes from long before that.
45:07It's kind of interesting.
45:08That's super fascinating.
45:11One thing that they were saying in the emotion code, and I wonder if you've seen this as well, is that when you clear something like that in yourself, it clears everyone else in your line of that too.
45:21Do you, have you found that as well?
45:24Well, yes, and we're informed by that from physics.
45:28Right?
45:29Because we can access past, present, and future all at once.
45:32So what's happening here affects the whole line.
45:36That's the best explanation that I can go again.
45:41I can't stop yawning.
45:42I yawn like 60 times.
45:43I feel.
45:45So that's the best explanation I, I have, cause we see, we see patterns, but like no scientists are going out and done a study, but the physicists tell us that they've done the studies, and that's, that's what makes sense to me.
46:00See, that's why the emotion code, that's why it's coming up for them too.
46:04You're, you're accessing the present moment.
46:07And that's so powerful because it affects the past and the future, cause you're shifting what's happening here.
46:14Yeah.
46:15It's like a ripple effect.
46:16I like, I like the science brought in that something in motion stays in motion because that makes sense because we know that emotions are energy, right?
46:24And there's there's motion in that.
46:26, so we only have maybe like 9 or so minutes left, but I, I would love to just really quick switch it over to yoga because I know that's one of your other modalities.
46:37I just, I don't know if you know this.
46:38I just sold my yoga company.
46:40I had a yoga company and I was director of a yoga company for years, so.
46:44, you know, I'm, I'd love to hear your take on it about just how yoga helps release these things or how you use yoga in this healing.
46:54I love the question because I, I, I bring in both.
46:57I, I, I bring in the ancestral clearing, well, all three.
47:00I bring in the, the, polydagal theory stuff around the nervous system, and then I bring in yoga.
47:06And of course, yoga knew about all of this.
47:08Yoga yoga is where science is just starting to put labels to it, you know, starting to figure it out, right?
47:15I love what you said about, seeing through the lens that we that we see through, right?
47:22The, the yoga sutras inform us, we see a life as we are.
47:29And the point, what the first yoga sutra tells us, yoga is now.
47:34So isn't that powerful?
47:36That's pointing us where, right into the present moment where the power is.
47:41And It also tells us that.
47:47are Our conscious the thing that's barring us from our seeing our true self.
47:55True self-meaning Who I really am, not the personality, but the kind of the eternal part of me.
48:03What's barring us from doing that is the conditioning.
48:07The past, the imprint, right, of our habits, they call them some scars.
48:13It, it informs, I mean, it, it's in the yogic text, all of this stuff, it's just in a different, it's just laid out a little bit differently.
48:22So they've known about this for over 5000 years.
48:27And I love, I love bringing in what breath work is amazing at regulating the nervous system, and that alone targeted breath work when done, when it's done, kind of you need to kind of do it with a teacher cause there's all kinds of different breath work.
48:45when it's, when it's done and practiced, It has an effect of rewiring the brain so that it drops old habits and builds new ones.
48:59Cause we don't normally breathe long and slow and deep for 11 minutes.
49:04We don't normally do that.
49:05So what are we doing to the brain?
49:07Oh, we're giving us something new to do.
49:10So by definition, the brain is so adaptable.
49:14Now we're building something, we're building newness in the brain.
49:17We're giving it new instructions.
49:19So yoga, so there's there's the breath, there's meditation, there's mantra, very powerful, so the yoga sound, All of it's pointing to this present moment experience where we are actually in somati.
49:35But it takes, it takes a little bit of a journey to get there.
49:42It it's so I I love that you just brought in the yogi text and we're like, look, they're saying everything that we've just been talking about because I hadn't really, you know, I've studied the yogi text, but I hadn't really thought about it.
49:56As one and the same, but it really, yeah, it really is fascinating.
50:01Do you bring in the asana at all in your practice, or is it more about the, the breath work and the chanting?
50:08So it's an 88, it's an 88 limb practice and so we get all 8 limbs because you want to have an integrated practice in order to integrate.
50:18And The Osina would be different in a trauma and form and even the pron would be different in a trauma informed class than in a straight up.
50:30You know, not trolling for yoga class, but still it doesn't really matter.
50:35What matters is the now.
50:38What matters is, is, the correct angle, so we're you know, the, the ass in a part of yoga is, is, is all about angles and, and trying to like align.
50:50So yes, and Depending on who I'm in front of, what class I'm teaching, depends on, oh, and you know, one of the things I learned as a teacher, which was very cool, I would, you know, I, I would walk in with a lesson plan and I have a lot of teaching under my belt.
51:07I'd walk in with the, I'm gonna do this for the class.
51:10And then I'm sitting in class and I'm watching people come in and I'm going, Oh, I need to, cause like so so and so walks in and I'm like, Oh, oops, this isn't gonna quite work there.
51:20And so, we just do a little modification.
51:24So this is part of the art of being a teacher is Being present, being able to kind of read the field, and being able to kind of adapt, and yoga is beautiful at that.
51:36Yoga is, is as long as you're keeping the seat of the asana, you can do modifications.
51:43If that makes sense.
51:44Yeah.
51:45Yeah, absolutely.
51:46And, you know, I haven't taught for a few months because I was very pregnant and I had a baby and I sold my company, but you just made me miss teaching so much because you're right.
51:57And it's even, yes, as they're coming in and you know them, but it's also like mid class, you're like, oh, I have to totally shift.
52:05So I've never planned my classes because of that, it's like you have to read the room and.
52:11That's the very best part.
52:12Those are the best teachers that can do that and speak to the people in front of you, right, not just rattle off some scripts, like actually talk to the humans in front of you and what they need that day.
52:22And often what you say is what you need to hear too, right?
52:24I love, I love that part of it.
52:26OK, so.
52:28You do all this amazing work, but the nervous system and the ancestral clearing and yoga, I'm sure listeners are like, how can I find you?
52:36How can I work with you, what does this session look like?
52:39So if you wouldn't mind sharing all of that, that would be wonderful.
52:42Oh, well, you can, you can find me at my website, which is Elizabeth with a with a hyphen between my first and last name, Elizabethkip.com.
52:53, Elizabeth Kip.com is a photographer and a web designer who's amazing, but she's not me.
52:59With the dash in there, you can find me, you know, all my social medias there.
53:04There's lots of blogs and ancestoring prayers and, and all kinds of free resources there and And you know, I, I, I teach classes and stuff.
53:15a session, I have a free introductory 15 minute session, and then I've got 25 and 50 minute sessions and you can buy packages of those and, and, A session, you really described beautifully what my sessions look like.
53:32It depends, it depends.
53:35It depends on who I'm sitting in front of and what they're bringing to the table and what they, what their intention is and how we work with that and And one of the reasons I have the tools in my tool kit that I do is because We need all these tools, but we need them a little bit differently depending on what the issue is at hand, so, yeah.
53:59And there goes another yawn.
54:03It's awesome.
54:03It's been so many, that was so powerful for me.
54:07, I, that's why I'm like keep muting myself while you're talking, so I'm not like in the background yawning.
54:13, thank you so much.
54:15This was so wonderful.
54:17I really enjoyed talking to you.
54:19I'm I'm sure listeners love this as well.
54:21You are such a wealth of knowledge and I really appreciate your time.
54:25If you are listening and you think there's someone in your life who could use this, please send it to them, like, comment, share, subscribe, do all the things.
54:34Let's help spread all this good consciousness, help rise the level of consciousness on this planet, and have a beautiful rest of your day, everyone.
54:42I will see you at the next show.